Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Indeed...And the Pentagon.
... my point was: "this is tower 7 = this is something conspiracy people are going to question no matter how much evidence is brought up"
so, yes, the pentagon works, in that, there is an abundance of evidence that a plane hit it, but people will continue to believe whatever they like
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Maybe even a photograph of a body.After all this is about the 9th time he has been declared dead 😆
afaik there are photos...
when did a US president hold a press conference to declare Bin Laden dead previously?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That's interesting.Why bury him at sea? Those are not Islamic traditions and he wasn't a sailor, nor did he die at sea.
Someone told me the reason they buried him at sea was because no country wanted him buried on their soil.
It all honestly doesn't matter in the end, I mean I ask the Americans here, is anything actually changing in your country?
Originally posted by inimalist
exhibit A
Well, I did see on alleged photograph but it was then compared to a photograph next to Osama while he was alive and the facial expression is literally the exact same. I haven't seen any others though so I don't know what he's talking about.
You'd think though that this being the most wanted chap by the amurikens they'd have more photos of the body and they'd be more officially circulated, no?
Originally posted by Liberator
Well, I did see on alleged photograph but it was then compared to a photograph next to Osama while he was alive and the facial expression is literally the exact same. I haven't seen any others though so I don't know what he's talking about.You'd think though that this being the most wanted chap by the amurikens they'd have more photos of the body and they'd be more officially circulated, no?
not really... I expect he was fatally shot, often times this can leave a corpse in a very... unphotogenic status...
my thinking is that the embarrassment the president and democratic party would face domestically, mixed with the humiliation on a global stage, probably means they are pretty sure they got him.
I don't know Bin Laden, I have no interest in seeing a corpse, and I wouldn't personally have the ability to spot a fake body from a real one, so no, I really don't need to see the photos.
Like, what standard did you think there was going to be? LOL, did you think they were going to chain him up and parade him around like King Kong or something? Your lucky he was shot and there is a body to confirm, I was convinced it was going to be a predator strike at some time, which would never be "confirm-able"
Killing of bin Laden: What are the consequences?The killing of Osama bin Laden is one of those events which, especially in the immediate aftermath, is not susceptible to reasoned discussion. It's already a Litmus Test event: all Decent People -- by definition -- express unadulterated ecstacy at his death, and all Good Americans chant "USA! USA!" in a celebration of this proof of our national greatness and Goodness (and that of our President). Nothing that deviates from that emotional script will be heard, other than by those on the lookout for heretics to hold up and punish. Prematurely interrupting a national emotional consensus with unwanted rational truths accomplishes nothing but harming the heretic (ask Bill Maher about how that works).
I'd have strongly preferred that Osama bin Laden be captured rather than killed so that he could be tried for his crimes and punished in accordance with due process (and to obtain presumably ample intelligence). But if he in fact used force to resist capture, then the U.S. military was entitled to use force against him, the way the American police routinely does against suspects who use violence to resist capture. But those are legalities and they will be ignored even more so than usual. The 9/11 attack was a heinous and wanton slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians, and it's understandable that people are reacting with glee over the death of the person responsible for it. I personally don't derive joy or an impulse to chant boastfully at the news that someone just got two bullets put in their skull -- no matter who that someone is -- but that reaction is inevitable: it's the classic case of raucously cheering in a movie theater when the dastardly villain finally gets his due.
But beyond the emotional fulfillment that comes from vengeance and retributive justice, there are two points worth considering. The first is the question of what, if anything, is going to change as a result of the two bullets in Osama bin Laden's head? Are we going to fight fewer wars or end the ones we've started? Are we going to see a restoration of some of the civil liberties which have been eroded at the alter of this scary Villain Mastermind? Is the War on Terror over? Are we Safer now?
Those are rhetorical questions. None of those things will happen. If anything, I can much more easily envision the reverse. Whenever America uses violence in a way that makes its citizens cheer, beam with nationalistic pride, and rally around their leader, more violence is typically guaranteed. Futile decade-long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may temporarily dampen the nationalism enthusiasm for war, but two shots to the head of Osama bin Laden -- and the We are Great and Good proclamations it engenders -- can easily rejuvenate that war love. One can already detect the stench of that in how Pakistan is being talked about: did they harbor bin Laden as it seems and, if so, what price should they pay? We're feeling good and strong about ourselves again -- and righteous -- and that's often the fertile ground for more, not less, aggression.
And then there's the notion that America has once again proved its greatness and preeminence by killing bin Laden. Americans are marching in the street celebrating with a sense of national pride. When is the last time that happened? It seems telling that hunting someone down and killing them is one of the few things that still produce these feelings of nationalistic unity. I got on an airplane last night before the news of bin Laden's killing was known and had actually intended to make this point with regard to our killing of Gadaffi's son in Libya -- a mere 25 years after President Reagan bombed Libya and killed Gadaffi's infant daughter. That is something the U.S. has always done well and is one of the few things it still does well. This is how President Obama put it in last night's announcement:
[quote]The cause of securing our country is not complete. But tonight, we are once again reminded that America can do whatever we mind to. That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.
Does hunting down Osama bin Laden and putting bullets in his skull really "remind us that we can do whatever we set our mind to"? Is that really "the story of our history"? That seems to set the bar rather low in terms of national achievement and character.
In sum, a murderous religious extremist was killed. The U.S. has erupted in a collective orgy of national pride and renewed faith in the efficacy and righteousness of military force. Other than that, the repercussions are likely to be far greater in terms of domestic politics -- it's going to be a huge boost to Obama's re-election prospects and will be exploited for that end -- than anything else.[/quote]
Though, I think he is a bit of a buzz kill here. Taking down Bin Laden is a victory for America, if of trivial impact and largely symbolic.
Originally posted by inimalistThough, I think he is a bit of a buzz kill here. Taking down Bin Laden is a victory for America, if of trivial impact and largely symbolic.
I hate to be the turd in the punch-bowl, but with all the nonsense and BS following 9/11 up to now, it's really just another dead extremist.
I for one am holding my "America, **** YEAH!" on a lease.
Originally posted by inimalist
exhibit A
I was told by someone who is:
A) Generally opposed to talks of conspiracy
B) A Professional in the graphics industry who works, eats, and sleeps in Photoshop.
So Im not ruling his opinion out, for now, til proven otherwise.
(Doesn't mean their are lizard people though.)
If true, this wouldn't be the 1st time that fake pics were made to be sold in the midsts of a media frenzy.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That's interesting.Why bury him at sea? Those are not Islamic traditions and he wasn't a sailor, nor did he die at sea.
Why would we honor their traditions?
And the reason they tossed his corpse overboard was because (according to the Pentagon) they didn't want to give him a shrine by burying him. A place where his followers could mourn or gather.
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"40 Incredibly Stupid Facebook Reactions To Osama Bin Laden’s Death"
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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I was told by someone who is:A) Generally opposed to talks of conspiracy
B) A Professional in the graphics industry who works, eats, and sleeps in Photoshop.
So Im not ruling his opinion out, for now, til proven otherwise.
(Doesn't mean their are lizard people though.)
If true, this wouldn't be the 1st time that fake pics were made to be sold in the midsts of a media frenzy.
huh, interesting
NBC are a bunch of morons if that is the case
Originally posted by Liberator
Well, I did see on alleged photograph but it was then compared to a photograph next to Osama while he was alive and the facial expression is literally the exact same.
Well he has his mouth open, if that's what you mean. Did you expect Osama to not look like Osama or something?
More from the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake
http://gdb.rferl.org/E4B7C57B-B599-4A42-ADB5-48C433B43457_w527_s.jpg
This is the one, if someone hasn't already posted the comparison.
Man unknowingly Tweets Osama Raid:
