Originally posted by inimalist
contract negotiations? collective bargaining? power against those who control the mechanisms of industry?unions might have issues, but there is no reason to do away with them, as there would be no powed balance
The only thing unions are good for is legalized extortion. 😎
Originally posted by Robtard
She's not right in the head. Just keep that in mind.
because I'm the first person to ever make a sarcastic comment to Jackie
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only thing unions are good for is legalized extortion. 😎
or, like, ensuring that conflicts of interest don't exist in the people running the company, or to make sure people aren't working for no pay, or... well ya, legalized extortion
Originally posted by inimalist
because I'm the first person to ever make a sarcastic comment to Jackieor, like, ensuring that conflicts of interest don't exist in the people running the company, or to make sure people aren't working for no pay, or... well ya, legalized extortion
All that stuff is covered by labour laws like the Labour Relations Act and Canadia Labour Code. Presumably the United States have similar laws?
We are off topic though. POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN! Thumbs up.
When I was in college, one of my friends did porn for a semester just to pay for her classes and tuition. She hated doing it. I watched a few of her movies and what they made her do . . . it just wasn't right. They friggen abused her body and she couldn't stand doing it, but she figured the ends justified the means.
It's a bad memory for her and she's trying to forget what she did, but I know it'll never leave her.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
All that stuff is covered by labour laws like the Labour Relations Act and Canadia Labour Code. Presumably the United States have similar laws?
not exactly...
we just had a vote at our school about grad students who were being given too much work for their pay, and couldn't complain because the people who cut their cheques were also their advisors.
I suppose a full class action suit against the University might have been possible, but it is far less likely to go anywhere, and the university certainly has more resources to throw at something like this than do a bunch of poor students.
If we had some type of "lobour police" that actively investigated this, and had the teeth to punish companies found in violation, sure, maybe that would make unions unnecessary, but at the same time, that would essentially just make everyone a member of a single state run union...
like, there are laws against murder, that doesn't stop murder. Knowing the police might arrest the guy after he finishes killing you isn't really that comforting when what you need is a way to, right now, stop him from assaulting you. A union gives people that power. While the actions of a company might be illegal, that is moot if the people being victimized have no ability to stop the illegal treatment, save a long, protracted legal suit that will cost copious amounts of time and money and has no guarantee of turning out their way, especially given how much more power a large company would have to influence the legal system, but it through simple lawyering or more shady things, like campaign contributions, etc.
Surely we can also think of violations that aren't specifically illegal. You know, like collective bargaining against mandatory pay freezes that don't affect people in management, cronyism or favoritism.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
When I was in college, one of my friends did porn for a semester just to pay for her classes and tuition. She hated doing it. I watched a few of her movies and what they made her do . . . it just wasn't right. They friggen abused her body and she couldn't stand doing it, but she figured the ends justified the means.It's a bad memory for her and she's trying to forget what she did, but I know it'll never leave her.
wait... why would you ever watch it if you knew she hated it...
thats a wicked fetish!
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree here. People can vote with their feet, if they don't like it, they can always leave. Unions had their part but they do more damage than good. A big reason why jobs are going elsewhere.
just so I have this straight, your suggestion to the MA students in engineering at my school would be, "just drop out, that will make it better"?
like, do I need to address how nonsensical that is, or do you get it?
Originally posted by inimalistWell ultimately any organization is funded by something, in that case the students. If a person feels they are mistreated that badly they are free to leave.
just so I have this straight, your suggestion to the MA students in engineering at my school would be, "just drop out, that will make it better"?like, do I need to address how nonsensical that is, or do you get it?
Some unions may do some good, but generally speaking they are more trouble than they are worth. They are often more corrupt than the company they are facing.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
When I was in college, one of my friends did porn for a semester just to pay for her classes and tuition. She hated doing it. I watched a few of her movies and what they made her do . . . it just wasn't right. They friggen abused her body and she couldn't stand doing it, but she figured the ends justified the means.It's a bad memory for her and she's trying to forget what she did, but I know it'll never leave her.
Made her do? I don't think she was forced, was she?
What exactly was she doing? Because there is porn that's just basically 'vanilla' sex, she could have done that, no?
Things that a porn (and/or prostitution if it were legalized) union would be responsible for-
-collective bargaining and pressure for equal pay among actors regardless of gender.
-collective bargaining to eliminate unsafe practices.
-create and additional barrier in training and hiring to make sure people go into porn for the right reasons, minimize exploitation, and keep underage performers out of the industry.
-mandate and administer industry-wide STD checks on a regular basis for all performers.
-lobby against piracy to ensure fair pay.
-provide services to reintegrate retirees into normal life or other careers.
-help performers fund education.
-ensure access to medical care for all performers.
Originally posted by inimalist
not exactly...we just had a vote at our school about grad students who were being given too much work for their pay, and couldn't complain because the people who cut their cheques were also their advisors.
I suppose a full class action suit against the University might have been possible, but it is far less likely to go anywhere, and the university certainly has more resources to throw at something like this than do a bunch of poor students.
If we had some type of "lobour police" that actively investigated this, and had the teeth to punish companies found in violation, sure, maybe that would make unions unnecessary, but at the same time, that would essentially just make everyone a member of a single state run union...
like, there are laws against murder, that doesn't stop murder. Knowing the police might arrest the guy after he finishes killing you isn't really that comforting when what you need is a way to, right now, stop him from assaulting you. A union gives people that power. While the actions of a company might be illegal, that is moot if the people being victimized have no ability to stop the illegal treatment, save a long, protracted legal suit that will cost copious amounts of time and money and has no guarantee of turning out their way, especially given how much more power a large company would have to influence the legal system, but it through simple lawyering or more shady things, like campaign contributions, etc.
Surely we can also think of violations that aren't specifically illegal. You know, like collective bargaining against mandatory pay freezes that don't affect people in management, cronyism or favoritism.
I don't know enough (or anything really) about the specifics of this situation, but I don't support notion that legal action would have been the only recourse. As though if one of the grad students when to the president of the university and said "I'm being exploited," the president would have said "Tough shit!"? There are plenty of avenues that an individual could have taken resolved that conflict.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
What she did was (hope I don't get banned so I'll try to use PG-13 language) more than 3 men at a time, bondage, multiple facials, swallowing semen from several men and BDSM. I can name the sites and movies, but she wouldn't like it. As I said, she's trying to forget it.
But she wasn't forced to do it. Sounds like she wanted/needed to make some fast money and probably didn't think it all the way through.
But I am a bit confused, 'movies' implies she kept going back. Not sure how that's a negative towards the porn industry.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well ultimately any organization is funded by something, in that case the students. If a person feels they are mistreated that badly they are free to leave.Some unions may do some good, but generally speaking they are more trouble than they are worth. They are often more corrupt than the company they are facing.
lol
so, your advice would be, "drop out of your masters, do something else"
We both went to a very and I mean very expensive private school. She ran out of money and her parents were a "stand on your own two feet" type. She told me what she was going to do and I said it's a bad idea, but like you said the money was fast. She got a temporary contract and then came the films. The first one she made was boy-girl and she thought 'okay if this is going to like this, then I can handle it, but then the real real hardcore stuff came. When her contract was up, they offered to re-new it, but she flat out refused.
I just didn't like the way they exploited her. She's friggen hot, but now feels completely dirty. Her husband left her when he found out, but me and a few of my friends continue to stand by her side.