Lets see.. J'onn and others were mindraped by Despero with ease. Now then, please list for me Despero's other TP feats that match Thanos sans the feat mentioned above. If he "doesn't" have any/enough then anybody thatn feels J'onn wins.. please list the feats that trash Thanos TP feats that people are giving him the win. I personally see it as a stalemate.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets see.. J'onn and others were mindraped by Despero with ease. Now then, please list for me Despero's other TP feats that match Thanos sans the feat mentioned above. If he "doesn't" have any/enough then anybody thatn feels J'onn wins.. please list the feats that trash Thanos TP feats that people are giving him the win. I personally see it as a stalemate.
Because John has been mind raped by Despero who lacks high end telepathic feats, that is supposed to bring down John? Where do John's high end feats fit in here?
I laughed out loud reading this. Since it's coming from a Thanos fan. If an individual were to make a strength competition based thread that involved Thanos, you'd be the first in line to argue that it doesn't matter if he doesn't have a lot of lifting feats, how he performs against those that do is what's important.
Seriously dude.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because John has been mind raped by Despero who lacks high end telepathic feats, that is supposed to bring down John? Where do John's high end feats fit in here?I laughed out loud reading this. Since it's coming from a Thanos fan. If an individual were to make a strength competition based thread that involved Thanos, you'd be the first in line to argue that it doesn't matter if he doesn't have a lot of lifting feats, how he performs against those that do is what's important.
Seriously dude.
You didn't read my entire post did you? If J'onn and others were easily mindraped by Despero.. then surely he might have other impressive TP feats I'm unaware of. It was more a rhetorical then anything else knowing he really doesn't. However, I THEN when on to say.. since people are giving J'onn the win... the surely he must have decisive TP feats that put him above Thanos to do so. If you notice... I said it was a stalemate... J'onn has good TP feats as does Thanos. Thing is, when minds like Xavier, Moondragon with PG, Mantis etc etc can't penetrate his mind and he blocks them with ease and while weakened.. I've seen nothing from J'onn that makes me believe J'onn will penetrate his. Furthermore... being that J'onn has been mindraped with ease.. while Thanos has blocked said attempts from the best marvel has to offer.. that leads me to believe Thanos resistance is higher than J'onn.. The only thing stopping me from giving Thanos the outright win.. is his lack of offensive TP against quality foes.. Thus I said a tie. So if you noticed I then against for J'onn feats for people voting for him that a clearly above Thanos. make sense?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhat the ****?
[B]You didn't read my entire post did you? If J'onn and others were easily mindraped by Despero.. then surely he might have other impressive TP feats I'm unaware of.
Character X beats Superman in an arm wrestle. X has few other appearances or quantifiable feats using super strength (though clearly he possesses it, as he just beat Superman in an arm wrestle). He's a villain, and so has few lifting feats but lots of hand to hand combat against Superman, Captain Marvel, etc.
Therefore Superman is weak.
WHAT.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm curious as well. J'onn has done a LOT more then he usually gets credit for in the TP department - but untilI see something definitive on Thanos' behalf, there's no reason to go over what J'onn has done.
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j'onn is always a bit underrated. used to be he was considered WELL above prof x and his marvel ilk. for some reason, that tide seems to have changed some. his feats still easily compare. not entirely sure i can see him killing thanos with tp, but i see no reason to think thanos would be the stronger telepath either. least not without further evidence for thanos.
Originally posted by Galan007Meh. I dunno about that. J'onn gets a LOT of credit for telepathy, but often without actual feat citations, and simply "J'onn's telepathy wins because it's J'onn."
J'onn has done a LOT more then he usually gets credit for in the TP department
Though I'm sure he has the feats, and I know of some myself, I wouldn't say he usually gets under-credited in the telepathy department.
As far as Thanos goes, I've seem him punk Moondragon in a telepathic battle. Phasing Galactus with telepathy is notable given that Professor X didn't begin to register on Galactus' telepathic radar, even when channelling the entire skrull race's emotions (am I remembering the feat right? something along those lines).
I'm sure others have greater lists of Thanos' feats, but those two instances jump to mind personally.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You didn't read my entire post did you? If J'onn and others were easily mindraped by Despero.. then surely he might have other impressive TP feats I'm unaware of. It was more a rhetorical then anything else knowing he really doesn't. However, I THEN when on to say.. since people are giving J'onn the win... the surely he must have decisive TP feats that put him above Thanos to do so. If you notice... I said it was a stalemate... J'onn has good TP feats as does Thanos. Thing is, when minds like Xavier, Moondragon with PG, Mantis etc etc can't penetrate his mind and he blocks them with ease and while weakened.. I've seen nothing from J'onn that makes me believe J'onn will penetrate his. Furthermore... being that J'onn has been mindraped with ease.. while Thanos has blocked said attempts from the best marvel has to offer.. that leads me to believe Thanos resistance is higher than J'onn.. The only thing stopping me from giving Thanos the outright win.. is his lack of offensive TP against quality foes.. Thus I said a tie. So if you noticed I then against for J'onn feats for people voting for him that a clearly above Thanos. make sense?
That is truly horrible reasoning. It's even worse since you're a Thanos fan.
I don't care who wins in a telepathic battle between John and Thanos. I'm simply commenting on your flawed line of thinking.
Originally posted by Existere
What the ****?Character X beats Superman in an arm wrestle. X has few other appearances or quantifiable feats using super strength (though clearly he possesses it, as he just beat Superman in an arm wrestle). He's a villain, and so has few lifting feats but lots of hand to hand combat against Superman, Captain Marvel, etc.
Therefore Superman is weak.
WHAT.
Didn't bother quoting the rest of my post or even the end of the statement you did quote? Ya know the part where I said it was a rhetorical question... Pretty funny dude. If you went on to quote the rest of my post it was rather clear. I called it a stalemate based on the fact that I've never seen Thanos TP raped before.. I have J'onn. The only reason I didn't give Thanos the win was becuase his offensive TP hasn't been demonstrated enough for me to say he could break J'onn's. Pretty clear right.. yet you somehow managed to mangle my post and half quote me....
Then, I further when onto say.. since some our giving J'onn the clear win.. then "surely" he must have TP feats that clearly put him above Thanos... Problem is, I have yet to see such feats that would do so. Somehow you missed those whole part of my post or just choose not to quote it? Point is, I'm calling it a stalemate, and my logic is set forth above.
Originally posted by leonidas
👆j'onn is always a bit underrated. used to be he was considered WELL above prof x and his marvel ilk. for some reason, that tide seems to have changed some. his feats still easily compare. not entirely sure i can see him killing thanos with tp, but i see no reason to think thanos would be the stronger telepath either. least not without further evidence for thanos.
When exactly did J'onn and Prof x have a TP battle that put J'onn well above Prof. X? Or is this one of these... It's J'onn.. he's an awesome TP.. therefore he must be vastly above Prof. x?
As I stated in my post... Thanos has never been mind raped and controlled as J'onn has on a few occasions. He's battled some of the BEST minds in Marvel and not been raped. As i noted above... got into a TP battle with galactus and breached his defenses... Something Xavier couldn't come close to doing. He beat Moondragon WITH the mind gem in a TP war. As we know moondragon is one of the best TP's in Marvel. Just recently 3 of the best TP's in marvel couldn't mind control hiim EVEN while he was weakened. Again, Prof X... tried to enter his mind and Thanos resisted it with ease. You can call it a will feat or a mind feat.. but Magus with an incomplete IG tried to "convince" "make" Thanos bow down before him.. Thanos resisted it. Moondragon with the Mind Gem is above J'onn imo and couldn't even come close to beating Thanos let alone even breaching his defenses. So NOW that we have some of those feats out of the way... I ASK AGAIN.. What are the feats of J'onn that clearly put him above Thanos that people are giving him the win. I'm still waiting on these clear decisive superior feats of J'onn that people are basing on the vote on, and giving J'onn the win. Shouldn't be that hard right.. since it's so "clear"
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiOf COURSE I isolated which part of the post I was quoting. Otherwise the direct point I was clashing with would be unclear. Apologies for my clarity.
Didn't bother quoting the rest of my post or even the end of the statement you did quote?
As far as the reasoning that 'J'onn has been beaten before, Thanos hasn't'', without discussing the truth of that statement, we can talk about how it provides no basis for concluding Thanos' superiority: if Spider-Man's won every arm wrestle he's ever had, can we conclude that he's stronger than Captain Marvel, who lost in an arm wrestle to Superman?
In the future, you could reply to what I'm actually saying instead of just insisting that hidden somewhere in the rest of your post is an actual response for me to puzzle out. Actually engaging with any of the arguments directed towards you would help further discussion more than simply dodging and misdirecting.