Naruto vs. The growing gauntlet

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Honestly did not see Choji lol. But yes he stops there. And no matter what, he will not defeat Sasuke in this thread. Mostly because in one scenario I don't even think he'd make it to Sasuke.

Snipping me...>_>

Naruto never uses Toads.

Even if he does, there's always Kirin which will one-shot everyone else in the field. awesome

Great minds think alike?

I point you to the battle with Gaara, and Pain.

Originally posted by Q99
I don't think he can do that in 5 minutes.

He doesn't have to send them to Mount Myoboku. Doing so would mean that he would have to take the extra time to summon them.
Merely creating two-three clones and sending them outside the arena where the others cannot follow, will be enough. It means that until he needs Sage Mode, he can use clones, and when he gets pressed, he can send clones, have them gather NE, stall for time, and then release the jutsu.
If BFR is in play, it still wouldn't work against Naruto since he is only sending clones.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Sakura isn't dodging shit of his. He'll be moving so fast he'll just be a blur to her.

Only if he's in Sage/Kyuubi mode. Base Naruto doesn't even have Lee level speed.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
~ If Ino were in the gauntlet and she survived until Chouji & Shikamaru arrived, Naruto would lose. I say that with a straight face.

You mean a gay face. 313

People who think he stops at Gai need to remember that Gai dared not interfere with the Naruto-Pain fight because it would be too much. Naruto in Sage Mode, alone, is stronger than all except a very short list of characters.

And this Chouji love going on? I read something about Kushina wankery...

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even if he does, there's always Kirin which will one-shot everyone else in the field. awesome

Great minds think alike?

I point you to the battle with Gaara, and Pain.

Indeed. Or use Tsukuyomi on all of them to make them take part in a giant steamy game of tag.

I gots to snipe you so even I suppose.

Both involved fighting opponents bigger than a house. And the latter he didn't intentionally summon them, they just came along for the ride.

Yes, they came.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean a gay face. 313

People who think he stops at Gai need to remember that Gai dared not interfere with the Naruto-Pain fight because it would be too much. Naruto in Sage Mode, alone, is stronger than all except a very short list of characters.

And this Chouji love going on? I read something about Kushina wankery...

Hmm, will admit I walked right into that one. mmm Figures you would say something like that. 😛

Deva Path could trade blows with Sage Mode Naruto though, and it's not like Naruto will be dealing Tsunade-strength or perhaps even Sakura-strength blows while in Sage Mode. While Gai in Base mode would be swept aside, 7 Gates Gai is IMO > Sage Mode Naruto in raw physical stats. Naruto would be KO'd, if not killed, by Afternoon Tiger.

Every character gets wanked. But doesn't change the fact that Falcon Punch > Naruto, Kushina & the Kyuubi awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. Or use Tsukuyomi on all of them to make them take part in a giant steamy game of tag.

I gots to snipe you so even I suppose.

Both involved fighting opponents bigger than a house. And the latter he didn't intentionally summon them, they just came along for the ride.

Yes, they came.

Naww, he can just use a regular ol' genjutsu for that. Tsukiyomi is for when he wants them to believe that they no longer want to bed him.

In other words, great minds think alike no? 131

Bah fine, with CIS on Naruto wouldn't summon them. Just wait until a Naruto thread with CIS off comes along though. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Naww, he can just use a regular ol' genjutsu for that. Tsukiyomi is for when he wants them to believe that they no longer want to bed him.

In other words, great minds think alike no? 131

Bah fine, with CIS on Naruto wouldn't summon them. Just wait until a Naruto thread with CIS off comes along though. 😛

Sakura and Naruto are among the group. vin

I do not compliment myself good sir!

But yes. >_>

It will take more than removing CIS to cause Naruto to fight intelligently. awesome

Edit: Also, I'm having trouble finding Guy saying he wasn't going to interfere with the fight because it would be too much. In fact, he seemed very ready to go help but was stopped by the slug thing.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Sakura and Naruto are among the group. vin

I do not compliment myself good sir!

But yes. >_>

It will take more than removing CIS to cause Naruto to fight intelligently. awesome

Hmm, guess Tsukiyomi will be needed, but not for the steamy game of tag. 313

Ridiculous!

True that. Besides, Chouji would have just punched the Toads to the moon. awesome

As for your EDIT, all I know is that it was Shikaku who was hesitant to leap into the battle between Naruto & Nagato.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Hmm, guess Tsukiyomi will be needed, but not for the steamy game of tag. 313

Ridiculous!

True that. Besides, Chouji would have just punched the Toads to the moon. awesome

As for your EDIT, all I know is that it was Shikaku who was hesitant to leap into the battle between Naruto & Nagato.

Sasuke is one to overshoot things good sir. awesome

But true.

Indeed. Choji for Hokage!

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

He doesn't have to send them to Mount Myoboku. Doing so would mean that he would have to take the extra time to summon them.
Merely creating two-three clones and sending them outside the arena where the others cannot follow, will be enough. It means that until he needs Sage Mode, he can use clones, and when he gets pressed, he can send clones, have them gather NE, stall for time, and then release the jutsu.
If BFR is in play, it still wouldn't work against Naruto since he is only sending clones.

True, I didn't think of making them on the spot.

However, if he does he's limited to a mere two battle clones at a time when they're charging or the collecting clones get disrupted, and they're vulnerable to being found and destroyed.

So it comes at the price of a handicap. Sans more than two clones, Sakura becomes a whole lot harder (the primary ways I was thinking of defeating her generally would involve several clones- a bunch can be hard to dodge, two is... not so hard), and I think Neji's right out.

I suppose he could have them hiding and drop his number of battle clones when it's time for them to start collecting... but honestly I think he's better off just starting out Saged and blowing through opponents as quickly as possible until he runs out.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: Also, I'm having trouble finding Guy saying he wasn't going to interfere with the fight because it would be too much. In fact, he seemed very ready to go help but was stopped by the slug thing.

Did I ever say that Guy said he wasn't going to interfere with the fight?

🙂

No, I believe the words I used were "Guy dared not to." To clarify, Guy dared not to once he as told he would get in the way. After he got a nice warm cup of reality from sluggy, he dared not interfere. 🙂

"Dared not to" and "Deciding not to" are two different things young chap. The former indicates fear or hesitation while the latter is merely a decision.

Guy has no way of knowing about Naruto's Sage Mode or at least I can't think of a way for him to have found out. Guy also has now way of knowing the extent of Pains power but in this regard I can certainly see Guy hesitating to interfere because of what Pain had plainly done.

The discussion about backing him up was dropped after the slug thing revealed that Naruto, who had been fighting Pain for a while and knew how to beat him, had a plan. "Getting in his way" does not necessarily mean that Guy would hamper Naruto's fighting with his presence but rather add a variable to his plan at the last minute.

So no, I do not agree with "Dared not" but rather "Decided not". Besides, it's not like Guy could even find Naruto without the slug things info which it was not going to give. So one could actually argue "Could not."

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
"Dared not to" and "Deciding not to" are two different things young chap.

And this is exactly why he dared not to after he got a dose of reality. It wasn't a casual, "Meh. Nevermind. I'll stay behind and do pushups." It was a verbal smack down, "Don't go because you'll just get in the way."

Glad you cleared up that you a Guy fanboy, though.

And you didn't want to type "chap", did you? Ahhhh, the new insult tool: use words of affection that 'seem' legit.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The former indicates fear or hesitation while the latter is merely a decision.

And, clearly, Guy was out of his league and was put in his place. Let's go with, "Guy feared to interfere after hearing sluggy's words."

Let's be more direct and clear, "Guy dared not go after hearing sluggy's words."

It's actuall a bit funny that you're getting hung up on just one word when the outcome was the same: Guy was put in his place.

Play word games all you like, there's not getting around the fact that he was given a verbal smack down on his usual Gung-Ho "fight everything" attitude.

In other words, there's no reason to slobbering all over Guy when Naruto gets to him in this gauntlet.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Guy has no way of knowing about Naruto's Sage Mode or at least I can't think of a way for him to have found out. Guy also has now way of knowing the extent of Pains power but in this regard I can certainly see Guy hesitating to interfere because of what Pain had plainly done.

I disagree on some of that.

Guy didn't know about Naruto's Sage Mode, at the time OR his taijutsu amp from training. This would lead him to step in and help a good friend of their entire team (Think about it, Naruto is a good friend to Neji, Guy, and especially Lee.) He didn't have any data on Pain, just that there's lots of destruction and his home and friends were virtually destroyed.

He would rather fight to the death (because that's his character) than sit around and do nothing. Anyone can clearly see that he would run off to do his best again Pain. HOWEVER, he would just get in the way of Naruto, as we were clearly told. Naruto would have to worry about protecting Guy and Lee in addition to trying to defeat Pain which is why he was given a nice warm cup of STFU.

I guess we do not disagree on this point, entirely. Guy clearly was in over his head against Pain as was anyone else in the village who fought him.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The discussion about backing him up was dropped after the slug thing revealed that Naruto, who had been fighting Pain for a while and knew how to beat him, had a plan. "Getting in his way" does not necessarily mean that Guy would hamper Naruto's fighting with his presence but rather add a variable to his plan at the last minute.

Incorrect. The real reason is this:

"He would rather fight to the death (because that's his character) than sit around and do nothing. Anyone can clearly see that he would run off to do his best again Pain. HOWEVER, he would just get in the way of Naruto, as we were clearly told. Naruto would have to worry about protecting Guy and Lee in addition to trying to defeat Pain which is why he was given a nice warm cup of STFU."

It's a bit retarded to for Guy to think he even stood a slight chance and the reader is supposed to clearly pick up on that. Guy was just staying in his character by wanting to fight an opponent that clearly outclassed him. Again, he would rather die than sit around and do nothing...especially if someone was already at the cutting block.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So no, I do not agree with "Dared not" but rather "Decided not". Besides, it's not like Guy could even find Naruto without the slug things info which it was not going to give. So one could actually argue "Could not."

I like my version better as it stays in character while not showing a bias towards Guy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Glad you cleared up that you a Guy fanboy, though.

And you didn't want to type "chap", did you? Ahhhh, the new insult tool: use words of affection that 'seem' legit.

Since when? o.e

Anything I say seems like a troll to you. So I figure I'll just let you be.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's actuall a bit funny that you're getting hung up on just one word when the outcome was the same: Guy was put in his place.

Guy may have been out of his league with Pain but Naruto, no. There is nothing to suggest that 7 Gates Guy is weaker than normal Sage Natruto and I'd really like to hear the argument for it honestly. Actually, I'll go make a thread for it now.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Play word games all you like, there's not getting around the fact that he was given a verbal smack down on his usual Gung-Ho "fight everything" attitude.

In other words, there's no reason to slobbering all over Guy when Naruto gets to him in this gauntlet.

Food for thought: Does the Slug know about Gates Guy? Does the Slug realize that if Naruto had failed, she'd have been begging Guy to go save him, which given Pain's chakra state at the time, Guy and Lee stood a chance of doing so?

Slobbering over Guy? lol if he even gets to Guy which since Choji is there he may not. And if he did, I honestly don't see him standing up to Afternoon Tiger.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He would rather fight to the death (because that's his character) than sit around and do nothing. Anyone can clearly see that he would run off to do his best again Pain. HOWEVER, he would just get in the way of Naruto, as we were clearly told. Naruto would have to worry about protecting Guy and Lee in addition to trying to defeat Pain which is why he was given a nice warm cup of STFU.

Differentiate this for me: Does getting in the way of Naruto include getting in the way of his plan that he was implementing at that exact moment? Keep in mind, had that plan not gone exactly as Naruto wanted, and it might not had Guy intervened, Pain would have won. And at that time, Naruto would want Guy and Lee to intervene I suppose, so the real point to make I guess is that the slug thing is a complete idiot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect. The real reason is this:

*snippet*

It's a bit retarded to for Guy to think he even stood a slight chance and the reader is supposed to clearly pick up on that. Guy was just staying in his character by wanting to fight an opponent that clearly outclassed him. Again, he would rather die than sit around and do nothing...especially if someone was already at the cutting block.

I like my version better as it stays in character while not showing a bias towards Guy.

Why is it retarded for the reader to think this again? At this point of the manga, the readers would only know of Guy's power up to 6 Gates, which in my honest opinion could help Guy compete with Pain, though Pain would probably still win. And I could also make the argument that Guy realized Naruto had a plan and that if sluggy was putting faith in him, so should he.

And my argument makes him go out of character?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Sasuke is one to overshoot things good sir. awesome

But true.

Indeed. Choji for Hokage!

Only against high-level ninja 313

Hokage's SMALL-TIEM. Chouji should be leader of the Shinobi Alliance. Falcon Punch > Raikage.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Only against high-level ninja 313

Hokage's SMALL-TIEM. Chouji should be leader of the Shinobi Alliance. Falcon Punch > Raikage.

No one on the list is high class enough for you?

Chouji vs Raikage? vin

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No one on the list is high class enough for you?

Chouji vs Raikage? vin

Chouji, Kakashi & Jiraiya are the only high-class ninja, but even they come off as Average-class against an Uchiha, so no. vin

Not even a fight for Butterfly Chouji. excellent

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Chouji, Kakashi & Jiraiya are the only high-class ninja, but even they come off as Average-class against an Uchiha, so no. vin

Not even a fight for Butterfly Chouji. excellent

Tsunade? Guy? Shika?

In this, we agree.

I don't wanna wake up to a big comment to reply to. 🙁

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tsunade? Guy? Shika?

In this, we agree.

I don't wanna wake up to a big comment to reply to. 🙁

They are not on Jiraiya's, Kakashi's & Chouji's level. Jiraiya is > Tsunade, Chouji is Chouji, and Kakashi has the Sharingan which makes him > Gai vin

Originally posted by Q99
True, I didn't think of making them on the spot.

However, if he does he's limited to a mere two battle clones at a time when they're charging or the collecting clones get disrupted, and they're vulnerable to being found and destroyed.

So it comes at the price of a handicap. Sans more than two clones, Sakura becomes a whole lot harder (the primary ways I was thinking of defeating her generally would involve several clones- a bunch can be hard to dodge, two is... not so hard), and I think Neji's right out.

I suppose he could have them hiding and drop his number of battle clones when it's time for them to start collecting... but honestly I think he's better off just starting out Saged and blowing through opponents as quickly as possible until he runs out.

Yes, they are vulnerable, but sending them out of the arena makes them a whole lot harder to find, unless Neji is the one who tries to find the clones. Them actively trying to find the clones also hinges on the assumption that they know what he's going to do when he sends clones out, which shouldn't happen until Naruto uses at least one or two to enter Sage Mode.

If CIS were off, and Naruto tried to play it smart, he could even summon a Boss Toad to guard each clone, but that's just wishful thinking ony my part.

He definitely should start off in Sage Mode to blow through his opposition as fast as he can, and then send out a couple of clones to gather NE when he feels he's running low. Plus I doubt he'd use Rasenshuriken on any of his friends, so his Sage Mode should last a lot longer. Right now, Naruto is much faster at collecting enough Natural Energy to enter Sage Mode, so each clone shouldn't have to collect NE for very long.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
They are not on Jiraiya's, Kakashi's & Chouji's level. Jiraiya is > Tsunade, Chouji is Chouji, and Kakashi has the Sharingan which makes him > Gai vin

Nothing to say about Shikamaru huh? Madara himself compliments him. 😛

Tsunade and Guy are still ranked in high class so ha!

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nothing to say about Shikamaru huh? Madara himself compliments him. 😛

Tsunade and Guy are still ranked in high class so ha!

Well, I kind of implied that Chouji is > Shikamaru. 😛

But they still come off as low-average when compared to an Uchiha, so ha!