Which "Ideal" Future is the Best?

I've noticed that nowadays, people seem to have a default response to communists; "Communism is good on paper, but it would never work given human nature". Lots of other ideologies have this reasoning as well: anarchism, laissez faire, objectivism, direct democracy, etc... Well, ignoring whether or not that's true, I thought there was an interesting secondary question to ask:

If we assume that every political ideology's vision was able to succeed without problems, which vision for the future makes the best Utopia?

technocracy

Meritocracy.

boo, the future needs robots, not qualified achievers

Originally posted by King Kandy
I've noticed that nowadays, people seem to have a default response to communists; "Communism is good on paper, but it would never work given human nature". Lots of other ideologies have this reasoning as well: anarchism, laissez faire, objectivism, direct democracy, etc... Well, ignoring whether or not that's true, I thought there was an interesting secondary question to ask:

If we assume that every political ideology's vision was able to succeed without problems, which vision for the future makes the best Utopia?

Originally posted by inimalist
boo, the future needs robots, not qualified achievers

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How 'bout... MeriTechracy?

the most efficent robots rule?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I've noticed that nowadays, people seem to have a default response to communists; "Communism is good on paper, but it would never work given human nature". Lots of other ideologies have this reasoning as well: anarchism, laissez faire, objectivism, direct democracy, etc... Well, ignoring whether or not that's true, I thought there was an interesting secondary question to ask:

If we assume that every political ideology's vision was able to succeed without problems, which vision for the future makes the best Utopia?

Are we talking about just from this point in history, or any point in history after the ideology was formed...or before then, even?

Originally posted by inimalist
the most efficent robots rule?

nice 😄

Direct Theocracy

Originally posted by skekUng
Are we talking about just from this point in history, or any point in history after the ideology was formed...or before then, even?

And I'm really just asking, of views that have actually been popularly advanced. Not making up your own.

honestly, the technocratic movement seems like the best to me in this situation, as it is essentially the use of science and technology to solve all of our problems.

It is terribly utopian, would require impossible levels of investment and top down control, and counter to basic human nature, but God it would be magnificent

I think an Anarcho-communist society would be the best living situation.

Originally posted by inimalist
honestly, the technocratic movement seems like the best to me in this situation, as it is essentially the use of science and technology to solve all of our problems.

It is terribly utopian, would require impossible levels of investment and top down control, and counter to basic human nature, but God it would be magnificent

The "replicator" technology from Star Trek would pretty much end almost all social problems. There would still be other problems left (like abortion) but replicators would solve just about everything.

Here's a list off the top of my head:

1. Recycling becomes near perfect. You could change garbage into a Thanksgiving feast.

2. You could turn trash into a home by replicating it piece by piece. No person would feasibly homeless.

3. There is no such thing as intellectual property rights (IPR) since anything can be replicated. People would start making stuff for the awesomeness of it rather than making a buck so they can get "stuff." 'Stuff is made from other stuff, almost immediately. Would this improve things like video games? I literally do not know. Competition really does drive thigns to be awesome...but if there is no competition because there's no concept of money (because there's no "winning"😉, what would happen to things like IPR?

4. This is an extension of 3: no money is necessary as it can be replicated.

5. No one ever goes hungry or unclothed.

6. Engineering is a much faster process so technological development would accelerate.

7. The governments would lose a very large amount of their power over the people.

8. Medicine becomes about saving people rather than making money so the medical field would acclerate in ability, utility, for this reason and the reasons mentioned before.

9. The population growth could very well stabilize with everything becoming instantly modernized overnight...like...literally. I mean, we could have the poorest African families replicating the entirety of the 1930s Rockefeller estate.

But we'd still have the other moral questions of things like "suicide", "abortion", and so forth. The world powers would never stand for something like the replicator being invented, however.

there are even more mundane things, like skyscraper greenhouses, that would be good solutions in the modern world

Conserted population reduction and investing equal effort in educating others is the only way to get to a technocracy. I'd agree with the idea of technocracy if I thought those two goals weren't mutually exclusive. Distrust of others who know something we don't, as individuals, is practically genetic in human beings.

Originally posted by skekUng
Conserted population reduction and investing equal effort in educating others is the only way to get to a technocracy. I'd agree with the idea of technocracy if I thought those two goals weren't mutually exclusive. Distrust of others who know something we don't, as individuals, is practically genetic in human beings.

Originally posted by inimalist
and counter to basic human nature

That was what I was going to say about your "ideal" choice. It's hard to see the future throught 2nd amendment fantatics, liberal elite types and mistrust of anything academic or from a college campus. We like to burn our smartest here and replace them with Glenn Beck types who mutter all the right ego stroking catchphrases, like "lapel pin", "socialism" and "founding fathers" -as if people who have knee jerk reactions to any of those phrases actually understand them.