Thor vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
Because the gamma-bomb was comparable to a nuke, which is greater than smashing some shit up or producing a cyclone.

A nuke has much more "wind force", alone, than some of the largest tornadoes...much less that tiny one he created that was still not strong enough to blow people away that were on the ground right by it (but it was strong enough to suck up the metal destroyer which was a large empty metal shell.)

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, we know Hulk's durability, as we have many examples. So it's on you to prove the Destroyer would kill Hulk because it killed a couple Frost Giants and blew up a car. So far, the gamma-bomb > The Destroyer's blast.

Present your case, still waiting. YEAH!

Actually, there's no need: Hulk tanked a nuke which is much more powerful than the destroyer's eye blast. We got to see the upper limit of the eyeblast: it didn't completely vaporize the frost giants as we see their remains. A nuke (even a small one, much less the mid-sized one we saw Hulk get caught in) vaporizes literally TONS of materials around it at ground zero.

Hulk didn't get to sit in the very middle of the blast but the EMR, alone, that close to a nuke would cause most thinks to almost incarnate from the heat alone. Think of a magnetron except millions of times more powerful. Hulk tanked that. 🙂

What does the eye blast equate too? Looks like it's on par with an RPG but has more of a vaporizing effect.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Didn't Hulk get beat up by gamma dogs...one of which was a poodle. So he can survive a gamma bomb...but he get's his ass kicked by some giant dogs one of which was a poodle, I mean sure he won but they still managed to wound him and do some pretty bad damage...and I'm pretty sure Mjolnir > Gamma dogs, so yeah Mjolnir > Gamma bomb. The destroyer managed to defeat 4 Gods without much difficulty, he didn't just blow up a car, he destroyed that town. We know the power of Mjolnir, thor managed to destroy the frost giant city with Mjolnir. You can't compare the durability of hulk with the frost giant monster or the destroyer. But from what I saw of Hulk and thor...well...Thor > Hulk. So YEAH!.

Gamma dogs that were comparable to Hulk in strength and durability, but not quite.

These same dogs would be able to endure pretty much anything our modern military could throw at it save it be a direct nuking.

Originally posted by steverules_2
From what I saw he was pretty beat up. This all started because I said that thor punched a hole through that frost giant monster and could do the same to hulk, you claimed hulk was stronger and yet there's nothing to suggest hulk was stronger or not. Even if those dogs did cause superficial wounds I'm pretty sure Mjolnir was more powerful than them. We can only base this on hunches and such.

The Frost Giant monster has no durability feats.

If it's just a very large predator type of animal that makes it's home on Jotunheim, from what we can tell. The durability would just be the flesh of a very large animal. A high caliber sniper round should punch right through it on most cross-sections. 🙂 Hulk? Nothing. Not even missiles and nukes would punch through him. hehehehehehehe

However, we do not know the limit of it's durability. Saying it is just as durable as Hulk is completely baseless, unsupportable (because that's what baseless implies), and a limits fallacy.

STOP ****ING IGNORING ME DADUDEMON.

Okay, so I'll admit I skipped the thread after page 3, so if someone's brought this up then sorry.

It was mostly just something I noticed, but regarding Thor's Jotunheim city destruction. While impressive, I don't think it's as good a feat as is being claimed. I say this because during the chase scene with the Jotun beast, it was clearly shown that the underground of the city, if not a majority of the planet, was hollow. It seems likely that shattering the city proper simply created a chain reaction, so it didn't take as much power on Thor's behalf.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Are you all really gonna make me go watch the ****ing 2003 garbage-ass Hulk movie again? 🙁

This covers most of the feats I listed earlier. The dogs, crashed down by rubble, free-fall, tank shelling etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMCAjnKnnJg

Originally posted by NemeBro
STOP ****ING IGNORING ME DADUDEMON.

Bring up something relevant that isn't also addressed by someone before I post and then I'll quote you and respond.

damnit.

Still nothin' on that hammer bein' placed atop Hulk and keepin' him there forever?

Yeah i notice that, Everyone just skipped over what your brought up.

Originally posted by Scythe
Still nothin' on that hammer bein' placed atop Hulk and keepin' him there forever?

Hulk may not be worthy but who's to say he wouldn't be able to lift it anyways, we only saw him lift it in that cartoon where he took on the avengers but who knows...maybe he would be strong enough to lift it

Originally posted by Scythe
Still nothin' on that hammer bein' placed atop Hulk and keepin' him there forever?

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
yea hulk will lie down in order for it to be placed on him 🙄

No shit, he's not gonna let him put him ontop like nothing, but what's stoppin' Thor from impalin' the handle of it in him? If he throws that shit, and it connects with Hulk, it'll pin him... All Thor needs is just gravity and physics to sandwich Hulk like a mo'fo.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Hulk may not be worthy but who's to say he wouldn't be able to lift it anyways, we only saw him lift it in that cartoon where he took on the avengers but who knows...maybe he would be strong enough to lift it

Yeah, he was able to shove it aside in the toon. I think the movie f*cked itself up the ass with the 'who can lift it' dealy-o. The movie made it seem like nothing on earth could lift it unless they're worthy. I would think that Loki would be pretty much stronger than most mortals, not stronger than Hulk, but still Asgard beefed up and he couldn't do shit underneath it. we weren't given any evidence at all that it could be even nudged aside or lifted by a powerful being.

The hammer was forged from a star so it cannot be lifted unless you pass a "magic" test. What I take that to mean: the hammer is made of extremely dense matter like a black-brown dwarf. It could be as heavy as 5000 tons. 🙂

We know it's not super heavy because Loki wasn't crushed and he could still breath.

Originally posted by Scythe
Yeah, he was able to shove it aside in the toon. I think the movie f*cked itself up the ass with the 'who can lift it' dealy-o. The movie made it seem like nothing on earth could lift it unless they're worthy. I would think that Loki would be pretty much stronger than most mortals, not stronger than Hulk, but still Asgard beefed up and he couldn't do shit underneath it. we weren't given any evidence at all that it could be even nudged aside or lifted by a powerful being.

These were my thoughts. No way to know if the hammer was heavy at all or if it was just a magic thing.

Based on the movie, it seems almost completley like a magic thing.

hulk caught a goddamn dodging & caught missiles 😬
he dodges the hammer rips thor in two

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Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
hulk caught a goddamn dodging & caught missiles 😬
he dodges the hammer rips thor in two

/thread

We know it's not super heavy because Loki wasn't crushed and he could still breath

If flung, he could dodge, it's anyones game there. Though remember, scripting out fights gets us nothing, so there's that.

Judging by screen feats, Hulk isn't grabbing the hammer and doing anything with it. Wouldn't be able to lift it.

Come now, one thing is not letting it pin him to the floor, the other is just wielding it....

Originally posted by Scythe
Judging by screen feats, Hulk isn't grabbing the hammer and doing anything with it. Wouldn't be able to lift it.

This.

If it's light enough NOT to crush Loki, but still prevent him from lifting it in any way shape or form, it's obviously "magical" and this proves all but breaking the no-limits fallacy.

There's no known limit to which that "magic-you cannot lift this shit" attribute extends. In the Comics, it was just shown to be un-lift-able to all but the very very strongest of characters. But, no comics allowed here. 🙁

0mega Spawn brings up a good point about the missiles. I do not remember Thor's hammer being thrown very fast, ever. Hulk should be able to avoid the hammer, with out issue. Well, he could try the stupid thing and actually try to grab it like he did the missile. 😆

Flying Hulk is just too slap-stick silly for me to tolerate. 😆

Hulk has never lifted the hammer in the comics the only time he was shown doing it was in the Ultimate Avengers Movie.

Someone who doesn't debate in here anymore PM'd me this, and said it was free to point it out. I'm not 100% sure it's true; it could be, but I'd have to watch the scene again at the end. I do vaguely recall Ross mentioned something that implied the destructive force of the bomb. But again, not certain.

"The gamma bomb did not show "superior destructive force", if it showed ANY destructive force at all.

Banner's dad was killed because of the amount of gamma overload being emitted by the Hulk, plus the massive amounts of gamma from the bomb.

The bomb itself did not have any explosive force. The valley was undisturbed, the trees in the "blast zone" were not affected, and the water appeared unmoved.

Nephthys was right when he said the bomb was not a nuclear bomb in the traditional sense. There was no explosive force, and the affected radius was extremely small. It is not an impressive feat of durability. I guess its become a myth since every time Hulk is brought up, everyone says "Hulk tanked a nuke", which as I have proven is not an accurate statement at all." -former debater

For the sake of argument, even if we disregard the bomb feat, there's still enough from Hulk to pull a win. The rocks, the tanks, free-fall, dogs and father fights.

The Gamma charge isn't evidence of Hulk withstanding a Nuclear level weapon. If it was even intended to be close, the special effects team failed. Other than that, one can only argue it was a highly concentrated attack but even then, it didn't affect the landscape.

Surprised no one has yet to mention the Bifrost bridge scene and the energy blast Thor tanked. Especially considering the power the Bifrost could channel.

Anyways, Thor wins.

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It would have been interesting to see Thor's power level in a movie pre Iron Man and the more realistic, toned down approach.

Looking at the difference between Norton Hulk and Thor, he would have been really uber if he was similarly above Bana Hulk.

Anyways, Thor wins.

I'm still not convinced that Thor can take this, if only because he did not display even a quarter of the destructive capabilities that the US military unleashed on the Hulk, which Bruce effortlessly tanked through throughout the entire movie. I just really don't see a way for Hulk to be kept down.