Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Without amping, do you think Odin could have been going all out? Or 'not holding back'?
Not including the Odin Force in Asgard and Asgardians, Odin can become noticeably more powerful by growing giant sized. For him, it's not just an appearance change, as he accesses greater reserves of power, which is why he attains such a form when fighting cosmic scale opponents.
As such, I cannot assume Odin was going all out with even his own personal power. What Thanos was "battling" was basically a base version of Odin, for lack of a better a term. Of course, there's also the possibility that Starlin just doesn't realize how powerful Odin is or his capabilities.
Let me put it this way: In the context of that fight, Odin was definitely trying to put Thanos down but wasn't necessarily utilizing all his power/capabilities to do so.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Funny thing he technically has avatars...But if he goes down like a *****... then my greatest fears are true. I hope Fraction doesn't do that shit though. I mean, he is hyping up the fight, and he isn't Pak, so I have some hopes.
Heh. Doubt anyone will take that angle anytime soon.
He knows how to sell shit in interviews but chokes hard come game time.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You always have the highest hopes for battles involving 'Thorverse' characters and cosmics.Yet they mostly end up being pretty inconclusive lol.
I'm better off than Darkseid fans.
"Please don't let him fight Superman. Please don't let him fight Superman."
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat's all I wanted to know.
Let me put it this way: In the context of that fight, Odin was definitely trying to put Thanos down but wasn't necessarily utilizing all his power/capabilities to do so.
Also, he only really grows giant sized to fight other big opponents, meh.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnd I hope they don't, unless Pak starts writing him more. He's pretty much like what Darkseid fans think of Darkseid, except he doesn't get beat up by high heralds...
Heh. Doubt anyone will take that angle anytime soon.He knows how to sell shit in interviews but chokes hard come game time.
He usually doesn't outright shit on characters completely though. I mean power wise at least.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI realize. Just that that's when it comes out. You picking up what I'm putting down?
It's obviously far from just a cosmetic change. Heck, arguably the main function of the Twilight Sword is the prevention of Odin from entering the full powered state.
Him turning huge against Thanos would seem... odd.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And I hope they don't, unless Pak starts writing him more. He's pretty much like what Darkseid fans think of Darkseid, except he doesn't get beat up by high heralds...He usually doesn't outright screw up characters completely, I mean, he's not Pak.
How the mighty have fallen.
Tell that to a Thor fan after they've read his last arc.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I realize. Just that that's when it comes out. You picking up what I'm putting down?Him turning huge against Thanos would seem... odd.
Most of his more cosmic level opponents usually end up being huge like Seth, Surtur, Infinity. Don't I always?
It would also be just plain unfair in the context of comic continuity. He was getting his ass kicked by a base level Odin. If the All Father went Super Saiyan, it would have ended rather quickly.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAt least someone hasn't written an arc (terrible btw) of super Galactus tearing down everything because they're pissed off at him getting his shit pushed in by Superman.
How the mighty have fallen.Tell that to a Thor fan after they've read his last arc.
Most of his more cosmic level opponents usually end up being huge like Seth, Surtur, Infinity. Don't I always?
It would also be just plain unfair in the context of comic continuity. He was getting his ass kicked by a base level Odin. If the All Father went Super Saiyan, it would have ended rather quickly.
It wasn't that bad. The fisticuffs was hilarious though. fenga bitin
Ya. Which is why it wouldn't make sense if he did that to Thanos
Small Odin is still pretty powerful though. Pretty much KMC Odin.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
At least someone hasn't written an arc (terrible btw) of super Galactus tearing down everything because they're pissed off at him getting his shit pushed in by Superman.Galactus' only current enemies are Pak, so he should be OK. Hopefully Fraction doesn't become one
It wasn't that bad. The fisticuffs was hilarious though. fenga bitin
Ya. Which is why it wouldn't make sense if he did that to Thanos
Small Odin is still pretty powerful though. Pretty much KMC Odin.
You think that's why he wrote World War Hulk? It did seem like someone was overcompensating and each draft did end with a Superman clone beaten.
Lol, enemy.
You're lucky you're so beautiful or I'd break into a ten paragraph mega post about why that arc was so shockingly horrible.
If you think in the context of the story Odin entering a more powerful state didn't make sense, then I agree. If nothing else, Starlin might have not been aware of Odin's power and capabilities.
True, most people use the most seen version of Odin.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Right, contradicting
It's not my fault you dont' understand what you're attempting to read.
That explains why everything you said had to do with galaxies. Actually, that explains why you said the only things worth mentioning had to do with galaxies.Galaxies bro, galaxies
But anyway, I understand you've probably never read a comic involving Galactus, so let me help you out for the future... or so you try to shit on him less in the next thread:
That's their highest level feat. Unless you got something higher.
Galactus' power held off against the Pre Retcon Beyonder
And?
Galactus stalemated the In-Betweener after just waking up from a coma where he was hungry going into
Galactus was losing the fight and that's why the Elders and his Heralds had to jump in and save his ass. Plus Dr. Strange has beaten the IB. Yet Strange wanted NO part of Odin during the Blood and Thunder arc.
Galactus was about eat Mephisto's realm
Yay? You realize Mephisto never put down Thor when Thor fought him in his own realm right?
Galactus held off the Galactus Engine by himself
Yay?
Galactus beat full power Tyrant
Killed a Watcher in the Annihilation purge
Teleported a galaxy
One shotted Thanos like Odin didn't
Ate the Elders (which included Grandmaster and Collector who are powerful in their own right)
Was going to be used to destroy two universes
Fraction of knowledge from his tech created Korvac
etc
He got beaten by Seth... also, I hope you remember how Seth got beaten in that arc...
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-26.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-27.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-28.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-29.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-30.jpg
Hope you remember just prior to that Odin had the upper hand but was distracted when he saw THor/Surtur TP in.
Also this:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-19.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-20.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thor_400-21.jpgIMPRESSIVE!
I like the part where winds enough to uproot a redwood gave him pause, and he called it impressive as well.
I guess you missed the part where he said ON PANEL that something has gone wrong with his power source, the Black Pyramid.
OK. But even if true, that's a far cry from this:Don't you think?
I mean twice doesn't exactly warrant saying he's been doing it since the 60/70's.
He's done it more than once. That's what counts.
It doesn't make sense though. I know it, you know it. There is no "If that's true", it's true. Breaking galaxies doesn't make sense for Galactus, it's only there for feat fish like yourself, or for him to wipe out a galaxy spanning enemy like the Annihilation Wave was if you want an in comics explanation.
Funny thing is, he's still done it more than Odin though... so there's that.He just got pissed off and destroy a bunch of shit. His disgust overrode his need to feed. He needed to wipe everything out, and 'everything' happened to spread throughout a galaxy. And the last time he did it, was when he didn't get hungry as fast before you point to the Tyrant fight.
I don't understand how you think you have a point here.
Breaking galaxies don't make sense, until he does it when he should have been more worried about something to eat? How does that make sense?
Surtur wiped an entire galaxy just by forming his sword. Yet Odin gave Thor his power and Thor was fighting Surtur as a peer. Odin then drew enough power from the land of Asgard to amp himself to Seth's level, the same Seth who had the power of his ENTIRE pantheon. This alone should tell you how powerful Odin is and how much he can amp when shxt hits the fan.
Have you ever read comics? Do you understand what the plot is? Then do you understand what PIS is?
Let's play the plot game though.
Why didn't Seth beat Odin when he had the chance in the "Multiverse shaker"?
Why didn't Seth simply bite Odin's head off when he had him wrapped up instead of talking about it first?
Why didn't Surtur kill Odin when he trapped him when he had the Twilight?
Why didn't why didn't why didn't why didn't (Why didn't)?
Seth couldn't beat Odin during their multiverse shaking fight That's the whole point. Seth at best was stalemating an amnesiac Odin. Once Odin got his memory back, he wtfpwned Seth.
Seth was losing to Odin in THor 400, till Odin got distracted. Then before Seth could take advantage of this Hogun killed him with the cursed Black Knight. Nothing PISish involved in that.
Which isn't relevant to the forum. <= The point.
Battles start on a neutral ground here, which wouldn't be Asgard. Which was the point of me saying that. Like it wouldn't be in Asgard here.I hope you understand this simple concept... but you won't.
Who says Odin has to be in the Asgard dimension to drain it's power? Is this mentioned somewhere? It's not "Asgard's" power, it's his. It's all his, even the lifeforces of the Asgardians. He can reclaim it anytime he wants.
Please learn how to quote, because I'm going to start putting stupid shit in my posts if that dumb [/B] keeps popping up
Originally posted by zopzopRight, contradicting
It's not my fault you dont' understand what you're attempting to read.
Originally posted by zopzop
That's their highest level feat. Unless you got something higher.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Oh ya, you're the guy who only thinks things matter if they operate on galaxy level... nevermind. So, it's not even low feats at all, it's just him lacking 'galaxy level' feats. lol
Apparently collateral damage > everything else. Welcome to the world of logic.
Originally posted by zopzopThere's no 'and'. Galactus' power held off against the strongest being ever seen in Marvel. When you speak of "What Marvel thinks", that's pretty dang high.
And?
Originally posted by zopzopHe wasn't losing the fight... A weakened Galactus who just came out of a coma might have lost the fight though had it continued on the event horizon where IB would have been at his strongest, and a weakened Galactus who just came out of a coma would have still been weakened and had just came out of a coma.
Galactus was losing the fight and that's why the Elders and his Heralds had to jump in and save his ass. Plus Dr. Strange has beaten the IB. Yet Strange wanted NO part of Odin during the Blood and Thunder arc.
Strange was getting worked over by IB not trying to hurt him, until he summoned Chaos and Order who were pissed at IB at the time...
Way to shit on one of your favorite characters though.
Originally posted by zopzopMephisto transformed Mjolnir into goo, and then remade it...
Yay? You realize Mephisto never put down Thor when Thor fought him in his own realm right?
Originally posted by zopzopGalactus holding a being back that was making "abstracts seem to be in retreat" which included Celestials is only deserving of a 'yay?'. We see Galactus and 4 Celestials fighting it, then next we see only Galactus fighting it alone... Ha.
Yay?
What a shitty feat.
Originally posted by zopzopBecause Tyrant drained him with his own tech...
Then went on to get punked by DP Tyrant and almost killed by DP Tyrant till Morg saved his ass using the UN.
Which was obviously Tyrant just outright overpowering Galactus, amirite?
Originally posted by zopzopYou claim PIS to that? lmao
PIS, why didn't the Watcher tp away? PS was it confirmed that was a Watcher?
What else would it have been? It was obviously a Watcher.
Originally posted by zopzopWhat, Asgard?
And Odin has created a dimension and populated it with living beings.
Last time I saw that retconned, it was Odin pushing rocks together over a long period of time. Don't know if Odin and his brothers creating it is still canon. Either way, it was over a period of time.
Originally posted by zopzopUnlike Odin who didn't one shot Thanos you mean?
And depleted his resources to the point of needing to eat again. Unlike Odin who was unphased.
Originally posted by zopzopIt destroyed them...
More like swallowed and they were killing him and he needed to be saved by Order and Chaos. That's not really something to brag about.
He needed help because they reformed in his body because of immortality and he couldn't digest them because of it.
It's not bad, because again, it destroyed them... and then when he woke up from the coma, weakened Galactus went and stalemated In-Betweener.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah because he's been shown to have this capability before on panel right?
Originally posted by zopzop
Another case of the creation being greater than the creator (first was Tyrant). Again nothing to be proud of.
That's it, you must be trolling. There is no other excuse.
Originally posted by zopzopI realize, but he was still beaten by him.
Hope you remember just prior to that Odin had the upper hand but was distracted when he saw THor/Surtur TP in.
Hope you remember Seth experiencing extreme pain to Hogun and then getting 'killed' by a Black Knight Dildo. Oh wait, you don't have to remember since you just plain ignored it.
Originally posted by zopzopI guess you missed the part when he said ON PANEL that something has gone wrong with the Black Pyramid AND THEN went and fought Odin.
I guess you missed the part where he said ON PANEL that something has gone wrong with his power source, the Black Pyramid.
So what is it?
Originally posted by zopzopBut he hasn't. You completely ignored that.
He's done it more than once. That's what counts.
And doing it twice still doesn't warrant talking down to 'one time'.
Originally posted by zopzopLike I said before, you must be trolling. This is some Quan level shit.
Breaking galaxies don't make sense, until he does it when he should have been more worried about something to eat? How does that make sense?Surtur wiped an entire galaxy just by forming his sword. Yet Odin gave Thor his power and Thor was fighting Surtur as a peer. Odin then drew enough power from the land of Asgard to amp himself to Seth's level, the same Seth who had the power of his ENTIRE pantheon. This alone should tell you how powerful Odin is and how much he can amp when shxt hits the fan.
I realize what happened. The same Seth who I posted scans of in the previous post. He wasn't that impressive, and since you made a deal of Seth talking about the Black Pyramid, well the Black Pyramid was destroyed last I checked... and that's the Seth who fought Odin.
Originally posted by zopzopSeth was beating Odin though. Why didn't he follow through with it instead of gloating, and letting Odin recall his memory?
Seth couldn't beat Odin during their multiverse shaking fight That's the whole point. Seth at best was stalemating an amnesiac Odin. Once Odin got his memory back, he wtfpwned Seth.Seth was losing to Odin in THor 400, till Odin got distracted. Then before Seth could take advantage of this Hogun killed him with the cursed Black Knight. Nothing PISish involved in that.
Seth was only getting tossed around which is irrelevant to what I was talking about... and instead of talking he could have bit Odin straight away instead of talking about him going to bite Odin. Next time I'm in a fight, I'm going to stop and say that I'm going to throw a punch before I throw it.
Way to ignore the Surtur part. Way to miss the point. Just because he didn't press the attack doesn't mean he was letting up the whole time. It's called plot. If you don't understand, then you don't understand comics. Especially when the fight was done at that point, it wasn't even a mid battle thing either.
Originally posted by zopzopWho says Odin can do it outside of Asgard? Is this mentioned somewhere?
Who says Odin has to be in the Asgard dimension to drain it's power? Is this mentioned somewhere? It's not "Asgard's" power, it's his. It's all his, even the lifeforces of the Asgardians. He can reclaim it anytime he wants.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Conflicted. A quick skim and I want to point some things out to Bran but....I think it would be more fun to stay out of it.For now.
excellent
heh. i thought the same thing, but didn't want to say anything in case i ever go into a tournament against him and he has galactus and i have odin..... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by leonidasTournament debating... ha
heh. i thought the same thing, but didn't want to say anything in case i ever go into a tournament against him and he has galactus and i have odin..... 😖hifty:
Made even less unlikely by me starting a job the end of this week/next week working 12 hour days
Plus, if we were in a tournament I'd actually research things, and then I'd kill you. 😛
