Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'm sure in either form of assault, there's an attacker out there who is initially prompted by the miniskirt, low-cut top, knee-highs etc. I doubt very much that it's the actual motivator in any case, but I'm sure it... eggs them on sometimes.And that's my point---what the cop said doesn't feel literally incorrect (and I have no way of qualifying whether it actually is or not). But he's still an asshat for saying it---he must've known how it would fly with the people who see only emotions and insinuations.
I accept that your emotional response to the officer's words might be to blame women for actions done to them, but what he said is essentially literally incorrect, regardless of how you feel about it.
It'd be like saying wearing baggy jeans eggs on people to jump you. Whether or not someone is out to jump people and the targets they pick are influenced by so many much more important factors that it is nonsensical to pick that one out.
Like, if you were wearing a blue shirt at the mall, and some guy shot you because he thought he was the baddest hardcore blood on the street, that is your fault? I mean, you should have known better than to wear blue, because someone out there might kill you for it...
and that is a poor example for me to use anyways, because in that scenario your clothing is a motivator, whereas there is nothing to suggest it is a motivator in sexual assault.
Re: BBC- Women in Canada 'Proud' to be sluts!!!!
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Toronto police officer's comment that women should TRY not to dress like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimised.
hes just saying if you're dressed like a **** odds are you'll get treated as a **** 😆
"Historically, the term 'slu.t' has carried a predominantly negative connotation... whether dished out as a serious indictment of one's character or merely as a flippant insult, the intent behind the word is always to wound, so we're taking it back," a statement on the SlutWalk website reads. "'Slu.t' is being re-appropriated."
So...'slu.t' is going to become for women like what '*****' has for African-Americans?
And a lot of people like to try and use it on here to get around the fact that the actual word is censored which - hey, guess what! Is going to get you in trouble.
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Anyway, there are a few problems that many women have with sl*t, wh*re, and other words like that. Number one, it's seen as this horribly bad thing for women to have sexual desires and sleep with people, yet it's practically congratulated in men, and women are constantly insulted for it. Yes, there is "manslut" and "manwhore", but note that they have to actually specify that they're talking about a guy there, because the default for the words is to be used against women. It's a double standard.
Second is the fact that the way a lot of people act, women simply cannot win with anything they do. If a guy asks a woman to sleep with him, and she says okay, then they're easy. If she says no, then she's either 1) a frigid b!tch, 2) a prude, or 3) easy and too busy sleeping with everyone else. Note that oftentimes these things conflict with each other.
And third is the fact that so many guys use it as if it's some sort of defense for assaulting/raping women. "She's dressed like a sl*t so obviously she wanted attention", "she sleeps with everyone so she would have agreed anyway", and so on. Look, I don't care if someone goes out in nothing but a towel - that does not give anyone else the right to touch, harass, or assault them. Period. It's not up to you to decide what sort of attention someone may want, and you are not entitled to anyone paying you any attention in return when you decide that you want to give it.
Like the picture in the article said, except in more detail - don't tell women how they should and shouldn't be dressing and shame them for making their own choices. Teach men to keep their hands to themselves, to not harass and assault women, and that they are not entitled to anything.
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnSo you're saying that 'n---a' was Not a 're-appropriation' of 'n---er'? It has a completely independent origin?
***** & the N word are two different words
***** is the equivalent of dude where as the N word is a racial slur
being that caucasians pronounce their E's & R's saying ***** sounds like the N word rather than *****boom cleared that up
Well, there goes my hopes for Jewboy.
Originally posted by Peach
And a lot of people like to try and use it on here to get around the fact that the actual word is censored which - hey, guess what! Is going to get you in trouble.--
Anyway, there are a few problems that many women have with sl*t, wh*re, and other words like that. Number one, it's seen as this horribly bad thing for women to have sexual desires and sleep with people, yet it's practically congratulated in men, and women are constantly insulted for it. Yes, there is "manslut" and "manwhore", but note that they have to actually specify that they're talking about a guy there, because the default for the words is to be used against women. It's a double standard.
Second is the fact that the way a lot of people act, women simply cannot win with anything they do. If a guy asks a woman to sleep with him, and she says okay, then they're easy. If she says no, then she's either 1) a frigid b!tch, 2) a prude, or 3) easy and too busy sleeping with everyone else. Note that oftentimes these things conflict with each other.
And third is the fact that so many guys use it as if it's some sort of defense for assaulting/raping women. "She's dressed like a sl*t so obviously she wanted attention", "she sleeps with everyone so she would have agreed anyway", and so on. Look, I don't care if someone goes out in nothing but a towel - that does not give anyone else the right to touch, harass, or assault them. Period. It's not up to you to decide what sort of attention someone may want, and you are not entitled to anyone paying you any attention in return when you decide that you want to give it.
Like the picture in the article said, except in more detail - don't tell women how they should and shouldn't be dressing and shame them for making their own choices. Teach men to keep their hands to themselves, to not harass and assault women, and that they are not entitled to anything.
It also goes the other way, though. Males raping females is considered a serious crime, but if a female rapes a male it is basically a joke to people. And is hardly considered a crime at all.
Originally posted by PeachIn principle, I wholly agree. However, in practicality...
Anyway, there are a few problems that many women have with sl*t, wh*re, and other words like that. Number one, it's seen as this horribly bad thing for women to have sexual desires and sleep with people, yet it's practically congratulated in men, and women are constantly insulted for it. Yes, there is "manslut" and "manwhore", but note that they have to actually specify that they're talking about a guy there, because the default for the words is to be used against women. It's a double standard.Second is the fact that the way a lot of people act, women simply cannot win with anything they do. If a guy asks a woman to sleep with him, and she says okay, then they're easy. If she says no, then she's either 1) a frigid b!tch, 2) a prude, or 3) easy and too busy sleeping with everyone else. Note that oftentimes these things conflict with each other.
And third is the fact that so many guys use it as if it's some sort of defense for assaulting/raping women. "She's dressed like a sl*t so obviously she wanted attention", "she sleeps with everyone so she would have agreed anyway", and so on. Look, I don't care if someone goes out in nothing but a towel - that does not give anyone else the right to touch, harass, or assault them. Period. It's not up to you to decide what sort of attention someone may want, and you are not entitled to anyone paying you any attention in return when you decide that you want to give it.
Like the picture in the article said, except in more detail - don't tell women how they should and shouldn't be dressing and shame them for making their own choices. Teach men to keep their hands to themselves, to not harass and assault women, and that they are not entitled to anything.
Women obviously have the right to dress as they wish, and if a man attacks them because of it, he bears the responsibility for his choices and behavior, not her. What she is responsible for are her choices and behavior, which sometimes will manifest as poor judgment or a lack of common sense.
If a women jogs through Central Park alone at night (as is her right), she does Not deserve to be attacked. Nonetheless...
If I walk through a dangerous neighborhood, I do Not deserve to be attacked. Nonetheless...
Sexuality is power, and yes, with power comes responsibility. And exercising rights without responsibility ("I can do whatever I want, nah, nah, nah"😉, IMO, opens the door to trouble.
It's been my experience that older women are more aware of this than younger women.