Originally posted by carver9
Ok, you are talking about Savage Hulk right? Because Savage Hulk was the Hulk that stalemated Thor for some hours and then it was Savage Hulk who overpowered Thor and beat his a** to sleep with his own hammer. Now since we KNOW that Current Hulk is multitude more powerful than Savage Hulk by Hulks own mouth along with every other being on the planets mouth... Thor really shouldn't stand a chance against WWH since he has been stalemated by a weaker Hulk and has also been over powered by a weaker Hulk.With that said, going by RECENT portrayals of the characters, Zeus should KILL Thor and worse than what it took the Hulk since Hulk IS more powerful than Thor (due to Hulk NUMEROUS of upgrades and amps that took place on planet Sakaar).
Don't bring up Let the Battle Begin. It was at best a semi cannon one shot and there is context within the issue itself.
The ever increasing nature of the Hulk bites him in the ass here. How do you know that an hour into his fight with Thor, the Hulk is multitudes weaker than an enraged Green Scar? It doesn't mean much now, but in the original draft around the time Thor first returned, the two were going to stalemate. Green Scar is an elite Top Tier and I admit that sufficiently enraged, I can see him breaking into the Trans Tier strength wise, but in all out battle, I don't see Thor, Superman and the other top dogs faring worse than Sentry.
I disagree.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Don't bring up Let the Battle Begin. It was at best a semi cannon one shot and there is context within the issue itself.The ever increasing nature of the Hulk bites him in the ass here. How do you know that an hour into his fight with Thor, the Hulk is multitudes weaker than an enraged Green Scar? It doesn't mean much now, but in the original draft around the time Thor first returned, the two were going to stalemate. Green Scar is an elite Top Tier and I admit that sufficiently enraged, I can see him breaking into the Trans Tier strength wise, but in all out battle, I don't see Thor, Superman and the other top dogs faring worse than Sentry.
I disagree.
Why not bring it up when its canon? The mods even marked it as a canon event.
Savage Hulk doesn't equal WWH and this has been shown numerous of times. Thor doing well against a pissed Savage Hulk doesn't translate that he would do good against Current Hulk... doesn't work that way. What we do know is that, yes, your statement is true in regards to Savage Hulk amping while fighting Thor but that still doesn't means that his power reach WWH levels or anywhere near it wsince again, it was stated numerous of times that WWH was/is the most powerful Hulk to walk the Earth. Then we have Savage Hulk performance not twice but 3 times against Rulk looking like boo boo and he was amping during this fight. Well, the same Rulk fought WWH and got treated like a nuicance. That's the power difference between Savage and Current Hulk... its not even comparable.
I don't even count the Sentry and Hulk fight as anything since both of them basically let each other pound on each other. What I did get from it is, Sentry never showed that type of power again in any of his battles and he REALLY cut lose. What I also got from it is that Thor nor Supes would be able to repeat what Sentry did since it wasn't just Sentry punches that Hulk was dealing with... he was also enveloped in a cloud of energy that even gave Genis pause.
Superman and Thor can not repeat that.
Going by previous showings of Thor and Hulk battles, Thor would get crushed by WWH.
Originally posted by carver9
Why not bring it up when its canon? The mods even marked it as a canon event.
The only reason I'd even consider it is because the writer said it was semi cannon. The same writer also pointed out that the Hulk only won because it was Hulk's own book and the inner story context means that what we saw, isn't exactly what happened. You can't have it both ways. It's meaningless. The only reason it got as much attention as it did is because of the rabid fans. Granted, if the tables were turned, the same would happen.
Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk doesn't equal WWH and this has been shown numerous of times. Thor doing well against a pissed Savage Hulk doesn't translate that he would do good against Current Hulk... doesn't work that way. What we do know is that, yes, your statement is true in regards to Savage Hulk amping while fighting Thor but that still doesn't means that his power reach WWH levels or anywhere near it wsince again, it was stated numerous of times that WWH was/is the most powerful Hulk to walk the Earth. Then we have Savage Hulk performance not twice but 3 times against Rulk looking like boo boo and he was amping during this fight. Well, the same Rulk fought WWH and got treated like a nuicance. That's the power difference between Savage and Current Hulk... its not even comparable.
Not really. The Hulk officially has a higher base but I think that's about it in terms of what lasted from WWH in terms of power levels.
And Green Scar is obviously not the most powerful Hulk to walk the planet. You don't understand hyperbole and various other simplistic shit Carver. You're like a child. I'm not going to use JMS advertising that his Thor was the most powerful Thor ever scene as evidence.
Rulk encountered an amped Banner Hulk and I've said it again, the battle made little sense. Loeb was not one for power levels and using something written by him as some sort of basis for a power structure is ridiculous. F*cking A-Bomb and Wolverine fared better against Rulk than Thor/Hulk did. You can't establish what you want when there is so little consistency and outside influences.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't even count the Sentry and Hulk fight as anything since both of them basically let each other pound on each other.
crylaugh
Originally posted by carver9
What I did get from it is, Sentry never showed that type of power again in any of his battles and he REALLY cut lose. What I also got from it is that Thor nor Supes would be able to repeat what Sentry did since it wasn't just Sentry punches that Hulk was dealing with... he was also enveloped in a cloud of energy that even gave Genis pause.
Superman and Thor can not repeat that.
As his encounters against Blue Marvel and Thor illustrate, he is an elite Top Tier without any Void influence.
Bullshit. I don't think you understand how comics work sometimes.
Power ups are meaningless unless they change standing against former peers.
Green Scar despite the Warp Core upgrade is not going to walk over Elite Top Tiers not matter how much you want him to. The quicker you come to this realization, the easier your comic book experiences will be. Pak may have treated him more favorable than other writers -he's a modern day writer that lets his biased slip into his work- but that's about it.
Green Scar's most impressive showing is most likely his treatment of Hercules. On the other hand, I highly doubt that is how a battle between them would play out under Pak today. At the time I'd wager he viewed him as a poor man's Thor and now he loves the character. For example, down the line in his Hercules run, he had Banner admit that Hercules was one of the few beings with a chance of taking down Green Scar on his own which is a conclusion I can honestly not reach based on their encounter. It was like Superman vs. Supergirl.
That's the problem with some modern day writers. They're fan boys who let their love dictate there writing and as a result, it's hard to establish power levels.
Originally posted by carver9
Going by previous showings of Hor and Hulk battles, Thor would get crushed by WWH.
He wouldn't.
And not for nothing but this lastest version of hulk is no green scar. Green scar was always at a rage level. This latest version banner/hulk seems to have to build his rage up a bit. His base seems higher then savage but i would put him a notch or 2 under green scar. just look at the last comic hulk was wanting betty to get him angry to amp up.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only reason I'd even consider it is because the writer said it was semi cannon. The same writer also pointed out that the Hulk only won because it was Hulk's own book and the inner story context means that what we saw, isn't exactly what happened. You can't have it both ways. It's meaningless. The only reason it got as much attention as it did is because of the rabid fans. Granted, if the tables were turned, the same would happen.Not really. The Hulk officially has a higher base but I think that's about it in terms of what lasted from WWH in terms of power levels.
And Green Scar is obviously not the most powerful Hulk to walk the planet. You don't understand hyperbole and various other simplistic shit Carver. You're like a child. I'm not going to use JMS advertising that his Thor was the most powerful Thor ever scene as evidence.
Rulk encountered an amped Banner Hulk and I've said it again, the battle made little sense. Loeb was not one for power levels and using something written by him as some sort of basis for a power structure is ridiculous. F*cking A-Bomb and Wolverine fared better against Rulk than Thor/Hulk did. You can't establish what you want when there is so little consistency and outside influences.
crylaugh
As his encounters against Blue Marvel and Thor illustrate, he is an elite Top Tier without any Void influence.
Bullshit. I don't think you understand how comics work sometimes.
Power ups are meaningless unless they change standing against former peers.
Green Scar despite the Warp Core upgrade is not going to walk over Elite Top Tiers not matter how much you want him to. The quicker you come to this realization, the easier your comic book experiences will be. Pak may have treated him more favorable than other writers -he's a modern day writer that lets his biased slip into his work- but that's about it.
Green Scar's most impressive showing is most likely his treatment of Hercules. On the other hand, I highly doubt that is how a battle between them would play out under Pak today. At the time I'd wager he viewed him as a poor man's Thor and now he loves the character. For example, down the line in his Hercules run, he had Banner admit that Hercules was one of the few beings with a chance of taking down Green Scar on his own which is a conclusion I can honestly not reach based on their encounter. It was like Superman vs. Supergirl.
That's the problem with some modern day writers. They're fan boys who let their love dictate there writing and as a result, it's hard to establish power levels.
He wouldn't.
Just accept what happened and move on.
Base has nothing to do with WWH PL being off the charts. They couldn't even get a accurate reading on him due to his high base of power. Hulk WAS one of the most powerful beings that walked the planet and they felt unsafe at stopping him. Its not Hyperbole when you have a WRITER along with the story itself telling us that WWH was the most powerful Hulk created... he was just that powerful. Hell, he was so powerful that at a weakened state, he was capable of holding planets together.
Now you want to discredit his fight against Rulk. Rage, what feats can Hulk have without you downplaying it?
I never said that he would walk over top tiers but what I do believe is that Hulk would be one of the worst Bricks a top tier has ever faced in their lives. You can take that statement how you want.
Greenscar held back the entire arc so his treatment against Herc wasn't even at his full capacity. Hell, Herc even admitted that Hulk held back against him and he also admitted that Hulk could have killed him easily.
I admit, there are some fanboy writers but I believe that modern comics are bringing balance to the characters.
This scan alone is proof enough that Hulk was on another level.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkholdingbackagainsthercules.jpg
Originally posted by carver9lol Carver. Look The only advantage hulk has on Thor is stength and even in that Thor starts off higher in. Until hulk gets pissed and u know the rest. Thor can defeat hulk in so many ways. Thor is superior to hulk. Just accept it. Its no shame to be the lesser of Thor.
Wolverine is superior to Odin in every way too.
Originally posted by Damborgson
lol Carver. Look The only advantage hulk has on Thor is stength and even in that Thor starts off higher in. Until hulk gets pissed and u know the rest. Thor can defeat hulk in so many ways. Thor is superior to hulk. Just accept it. Its no shame to be the lesser of Thor.
I admit... Hulk starts off stronger than Savage Hulk. Too bad this isn't Savage Hulk that we are talking about. Like I have said a thousand times... a weaker hulk held planet Sakaar together without too much trouble... again, he was WEAKENED. This same Hulk while weakened tossed a mountain a couple of miles without too much trouble.
A holding back Hulk had someone who is Thor physical equal saying this.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkholdingbackagainsthercules.jpg
I'm not accepting anything when I know the truth. I know each character limits, I know Thor just like I know Hulk. That is why I am saying what I am saying.
