WWH vs Shaggyman

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
Hulk´s weak jaw its a well know fact 😉

So now you are using Savage Hulk who strength and durability fluctuates? If you are using Savage as a durability scale for WWH then that means that Doc Samson, Namor, and Colossus is >>>the combine forces of the Fantasitc Four...Zom Strange (since he failed to knock WWH out), Ghost Rider, a PISSED Sentry, Hercules, and amped Skaar (who was throwing around 100 trillion tons of force), Zeus (who failed at one shotting Hulk, even with his lightning).

Do you understand?

Wwh doesn't equal Savage Hulk and using Savage as a reference to WWH is plain retarded and by the way... a pissed Savage would crush Shaggy as well.

Now show me someone who has one shotted WWH.

😂

context for those hulk ko's would have been mildly relevent.....

yup, samson shattered his hand using all his strength to do it.

to set it up samson had hulk smash robot copies of the rhino, juggernaut, iirc abomination, and modok to trick hulk into thinking he (samson) was also a robot since he waited till hulk stopped caring. the hulk said something like [another robot against hulk, hulk not interested in fighting another robot], then samson used that opportunity to hit a passive hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
How can Shaggy choke out someone or punch someone to sleep that is far stronger than him. Hulk physical strength is far above Shaggy imo.

Until it was proved otherwise, and despite the fact that all the evidence was against it, you thought that Hulk could beat a skyfather in h2h, so I'm not sure what kind of evidence it would take to convince that any character is stronger than the hulk -- since your faith in his strength is not based on evidence. Unless you think that Sentry is much, much more powerful than Superman or Orion (which is incredibly dubious if one's not talking about the void), then it is obvious that Shaggy is stronger.

The only area in which WWH has Shaggy beat is durability, and this isn't going to do much for him here. From day 1, tiring hulk out has been a viable strategy against him, providing one could deal with his damage output or throw drones against him. As for speed, Shaggy can deal with Flash and Supes. Shaggy has the stamina of classic juggernaut.

Hulk's ONLY method of winning is a BFR -- Shaggy can win by wearing him down and then beating him to death.

Originally posted by Simbon
Until it was proved otherwise, and despite the fact that all the evidence was against it, you thought that Hulk could beat a skyfather in h2h, so I'm not sure what kind of evidence it would take to convince that any character is stronger than the hulk -- since your faith in his strength is not based on evidence. Unless you think that Sentry is much, much more powerful than Superman or Orion (which is incredibly dubious if one's not talking about the void), then it is obvious that Shaggy is stronger.

The only area in which WWH has Shaggy beat is durability, and this isn't going to do much for him here. From day 1, tiring hulk out has been a viable strategy against him, providing one could deal with his damage output or throw drones against him. As for speed, Shaggy can deal with Flash and Supes. Shaggy has the stamina of classic juggernaut.

Hulk's ONLY method of winning is a BFR -- Shaggy can win by wearing him down and then beating him to death.

First I would like to point out that the Hulk and Zeus fight had LITTLE to do with strength... all of that was basically fighting skills. Zeus fought Hulk like a martial artist on steroids... Hulk couldn't land a punch. Then Zeus size tripled during the time he fought Hulk which gave him much more reach. Now if you can show me a instance during that fight that Zeus overpowered Hulk, then my statement still stands. What I do know is that Hulk punch sent Zeus flying some feat and he did scream out in pain. With that said, if Zeus wasn't Bruce Lee little brother, Hulk could have done much better since his strength while calm was able to knock Zeus for a loop to the point that it pissed him off.

As for Shaggyman... again, why is he stronger?

Originally posted by carver9
First I would like to point out that the Hulk and Zeus fight had LITTLE to do with strength... all of that was basically fighting skills. Zeus fought Hulk like a martial artist on steroids... Hulk couldn't land a punch. Then Zeus size tripled during the time he fought Hulk which gave him much more reach. Now if you can show me a instance during that fight that Zeus overpowered Hulk, then my statement still stands. What I do know is that Hulk punch sent Zeus flying some feat and he did scream out in pain. With that said, if Zeus wasn't Bruce Lee little brother, Hulk could have done much better since his strength while calm was able to knock Zeus for a loop to the point that it pissed him off.

As for Shaggyman... again, why is he stronger?

😆 OK OK OK. So to deal with your first point...

😆

That is an AMAZING reading of that fight -- I'm definitely going to refer to this in the future... man, pure gold. I knew there was a reason I persisted in arguing with you on this, and now I know why. This is almost as good as Big Colossus' last one about the guy standing behind Gambit. I'm not sure if you'll ever make to Quan's level, but keep at it, son -- you are on a path towards greatness.

As for Shaggy.. are you serious? I just told you.

Originally posted by carver9

As for Shaggyman... again, why is he stronger?

He doesn't have to be stronger. He simply never will drop, ever, so he'll eventually win, because Hulk can drop.

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
you don´t have to be stronger than hulk to K.O Hulk

LOL at the debaters here using relatively old scans, and/or a weaker incarnation of the hulk compared to today's standards.

Well done 🙄

Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
LOL at the debaters here using relatively old scans, and/or a weaker incarnation of the hulk compared to today's standards.

Well done 🙄

And that's the problem for current debates only current - last 5-10 years comparisons and in some cases even less should be used.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yup, samson shattered his hand using all his strength to do it.

to set it up samson had hulk smash robot copies of the rhino, juggernaut, iirc abomination, and modok to trick hulk into thinking he (samson) was also a robot since he waited till hulk stopped caring. the hulk said something like [another robot against hulk, hulk not interested in fighting another robot], then samson used that opportunity to hit a passive hulk.

yep. and IM hit hulk after hulk was staggered because a jet exploded on him so he was dazed. he also maxed his armor for that one blow to the point where it shut down after that punch and became paralyzed and ant-man had to save stark. hulk was also stunned for the colossus incident. more to the point--none of those versions is as strong as this one. even though i think wwh would be the stronger of the 2 though, i'm still not sure he could win this fight unless he bfr'd him somehow. i do seem to recall eiling's healing factor having been reduced somehow in suicide squad or checkmate. he was taken out for a long time when a bomb blew up inside him brain. he DID heal from it i think, but it took a long time iirc. if his healing WAS reduced (i'd need to go back and check and, frankly, i'm not that motivated.... 🙂 ) then wwh could possibly win this physically after a long long time.....

Originally posted by leonidas
wwh could possibly win this physically after a long long time.....

Shaggyman couldn't even beat Freight Train...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shaggyman couldn't even beat Freight Train...

Originally posted by leonidas
yep. and IM hit hulk after hulk was staggered because a jet exploded on him so he was dazed. he also maxed his armor for that one blow to the point where it shut down after that punch and became paralyzed and ant-man had to save stark. hulk was also stunned for the colossus incident. more to the point--none of those versions is as strong as this one. even though i think wwh would be the stronger of the 2 though, i'm still not sure he could win this fight unless he bfr'd him somehow. i do seem to recall eiling's healing factor having been reduced somehow in suicide squad or checkmate. he was taken out for a long time when a bomb blew up inside him brain. he DID heal from it i think, but it took a long time iirc. if his healing WAS reduced (i'd need to go back and check and, frankly, i'm not that motivated.... 🙂 ) then wwh could possibly win this physically after a long long time.....

Yes, the General has been depowered... But I assumed since the thread specified Shaggyman it meant the old one.

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
what´s you point?

I would have thought that was obvious...

Current Shaggyman gets folded up like a lawn chair and placed in the trunk.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I would have thought that was obvious...

Current Shaggyman gets folded up like a lawn chair and placed in the trunk.

that was sort of my thinking.... if it's classic shaggy, that's a different story.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I would have thought that was obvious...

Current Shaggyman gets folded up like a lawn chair and placed in the trunk.

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
No. Hulk´s healing factor will start to fade after a while, Shaggyman wont

his healing will 'start to fade after a while'? 😑

don't suppose you have any proof of that actually happening at any point, EVER.....?

Originally posted by leonidas
if it's classic shaggy, that's a different story.

Originally posted by leonidas
don't suppose you have any proof of that actually happening at any point, EVER.....?