WWH vs Shaggyman

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Rules/Standard Fight Settings
In most cases, the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself (ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the [b]current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on). However, in the cases where the original poster did not set down any constraints or conditions for the fight, then the match would default to the standard rules below. [/B]

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
Zeus fight

his healing didn't 'fade'. zeus was simply too powerful and overwhelmed it--as a skyfather should be. shaggy is NOT a skyfather..... hulk would need bfr to beat him, but shaggy could do the same. it would come down to whoever tossed the other into orbit first i guess.

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
Zeus fight

So Shaggy is a skyfather that can grow 12 ft tall during mid battle and thorw off magical charged punches...skyfather magical charged punches?

Originally posted by Simbon
😆 OK OK OK. So to deal with your first point...

😆

That is an AMAZING reading of that fight -- I'm definitely going to refer to this in the future... man, pure gold. I knew there was a reason I persisted in arguing with you on this, and now I know why. This is almost as good as Big Colossus' last one about the guy standing behind Gambit. I'm not sure if you'll ever make to Quan's level, but keep at it, son -- you are on a path towards greatness.

As for Shaggy.. are you serious? I just told you.

So what in my post was innaccurate? Did Hulk land a lick? Did Zeus grow during mid battle? Was Hulk even able to get close to Zeus during this fight? Was Zeus magically charging his punches? Did Zeus hit Hulk with a powerful blast before they fought? Who was the better fighter? When Zeus was hit by Hulk, did it not send him flying? Did he not scream in pain?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shaggyman couldn't even beat Freight Train...

Originally posted by carver9
So what in my post was innaccurate? Did Hulk land a lick? Did Zeus grow during mid battle? Was Hulk even able to get close to Zeus during this fight? Was Zeus magically charging his punches? Did Zeus hit Hulk with a powerful blast before they fought? Who was the better fighter? When Zeus was hit by Hulk, did it not send him flying? Did he not scream in pain?

Are you once again going to pretend that if the Hulk threw more punches, it would have changed anything? As we saw from Surfer's perspective, a punch from the Hulk was easily caught by Zeus. This wasn't a showing of superior skill but of far superior strength and power. For the record, I doubt the lightning discharge was anything but an illustration of raw power.....and it looked cool. The entire point of the fight was that they were going at it man god to man. We saw Zeus strike the Hulk with and without the discharge and there being any difference.

Lmfao at screaming in pain by the way. A double handed shot from behind made Zeus grunt.

Originally posted by leonidas
his healing will 'start to fade after a while'? 😑

Originally posted by leonidas
don't suppose you have any proof of that actually happening at any point, EVER.....?

Below scans shows a Mortal Hulk and his healing factor being taxed, I know, I know this is prof Hulk but one could make a case that WWH is just an super amped Hulk but still Mortal

Not sure if that's before or after the Savage Banner Hulk limitation. For the record, Hulk was holding back and so on.

Hulk can obviously be worn down and taxed when met with sufficient force, but I don't understand how that's a knock against the character as the same can be said about any entity barring the omnipotent beings.

Originally posted by JonyBoy2
its not like he is inmortal right? 😕

Not current WWH as he is Top Dog now(or used to, seems like he was depowered after the Zeus Fight)

Below scans shows a Mortal Hulk and his healing factor being taxed, I know, I know this is prof Hulk but one could make a case that WWH is just an super amped Hulk but still Mortal

So Grey Hulk and Professor Hulk healing factor= WWH? Damn.

What has taxed CURRENT Hulk healing factor? You have numerous of examples to use? Hulk healing factor wasn't taxed in those scans you showed... he was just getting his a** handed to him.

Carver, the battle with Zeus severely taxed Hulk's healing factor to the point it was barely working. Hell, he would have died if not for his teammates.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk can obviously be worn down and taxed when met with sufficient force

here these scans prove that Hulk its a Mortal and that was depowered by Zeus beating

Shaggyman's greatest feat of endurance is when the JLA stopped him by having his creator and having those two fight (as well as a third monster that was more mysterious) for several years.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not sure if that's before or after the Savage Banner Hulk limitation. For the record, Hulk was holding back and so on.

Hulk can obviously be worn down and taxed when met with sufficient force, but I don't understand how that's a knock against the character as the same can be said about any entity barring the omnipotent beings.

yep. to the best of my knowledge though his healing factor has never simply 'faded away' or run out. to suppose it would do so here is pure speculation. if we're talking a hypothetical fight that lasts for years and years, welllll..... i dunno what would happen exactly. i guess his healing could keep him from aging, ala logan. obviously maestro aged, but that isn't 616 hulk so really isn't relevent.

regardless, fight would never go that long imo. one would bfr the other before then.

Originally posted by leonidas
yep. to the best of my knowledge though his healing factor has never simply 'faded away' or run out. to suppose it would do so here is pure speculation. if we're talking a hypothetical fight that lasts for years and years, welllll..... i dunno what would happen exactly. i guess his healing could keep him from aging, ala logan. obviously maestro aged, but that isn't 616 hulk so really isn't relevent.

regardless, fight would never go that long imo. one would bfr the other before then.

No, that's never happened. No herald will overwhelm his healing factor.

Hulk would more than likely age over time but he should at least be able to survive for a few centuries.

People shouldn't confuse endurance for being worn down by the way. Hulk also has some noticeably impressive endurance/healing feats. Heck, every time he faces a superior opponent who beats him down only for the Hulk to get stronger and overpower them is a feat worth mentioning. Hulk is self replenishing unless he faces a very powerful opponent. If we're going to point out a character's lows, we should also point out his high's.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you once again going to pretend that if the Hulk threw more punches, it would have changed anything? As we saw from Surfer's perspective, a punch from the Hulk was easily caught by Zeus. This wasn't a showing of superior skill but of far superior strength and power. For the record, I doubt the lightning discharge was anything but an illustration of raw power.....and it looked cool. The entire point of the fight was that they were going at it man god to man. We saw Zeus strike the Hulk with and without the discharge and there being any difference.

Lmfao at screaming in pain by the way. A double handed shot from behind made Zeus grunt.

Wow... so are you telling me that Zeus wasn't the better fighter? I never said that Zeus was weaker than Hulk so why wouldn't he be able to catch his punch. That feat alone proves that Zeus is a superb fighter... Hulk just cannot land a single hit on him. Zeus is a fighter and he proved that dring his fight against Hulk. That fight had NOTHING to do with strength. Zeus didn't overpower Hulk not once throughout that fight, he just outbrawled him to the point that Hulk couldn't even pray on landing a blow.

Why wouldn't a blast from a skyfather no do anything to a Herald/trans level being (physically, Hulk is at least trans)?

Maybe if Hulk landed blows, then you would probably have an argument but he didn't because he was outmatched due to fighting skills.

Originally posted by leonidas
i guess his healing could keep him from aging, ala logan. obviously maestro aged, but that isn't 616 hulk so really isn't relevent.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Carver, the battle with Zeus severely taxed Hulk's healing factor to the point it was barely working. Hell, he would have died if not for his teammates.

Duuh, he was getting hit by a skyfather with magical amped punches and before this, he got hit with a big a** lightning attack from a pissed skyfather. He sure would have died.. I'm not saying that Zeus can not defeat him, what I am saying is that the fight was lopsided due to fighting skills.

Originally posted by carver9
Wow... so are you telling me that Zeus wasn't the better fighter? I never said that Zeus was weaker than Hulk so why wouldn't he be able to catch his punch. That feat alone proves that Zeus is a superb fighter... Hulk just cannot land a single hit on him. Zeus is a fighter and he proved that dring his fight against Hulk. That fight had NOTHING to do with strength. Zeus didn't overpower Hulk not once throughout that fight, he just outbrawled him to the point that Hulk couldn't even pray on landing a blow.

Why wouldn't a blast from a skyfather no do anything to a Herald/trans level being (physically, Hulk is at least trans)?

Maybe if Hulk landed blows, then you would probably have an argument but he didn't because he was outmatched due to fighting skills.

You can argue Zeus is a better fighter if you want, but you're trying to turn this into a showing of superior skill which is asinine. It was clearly intended to be an illustration of far superior power and strength. Anyone with common sense can see that.

Zeus caught a punch from an enraged Green Scar with one hand under Pak. It's clear that more punches or not, the Hulk would have been stomped either way.

It was a one sided beat down from a far superior opponent. Get. Over. It.

facepalm

You're being a goddamn idiot.

Originally posted by carver9
Duuh, he was getting hit by a skyfather with magical amped punches and before this, he got hit with a big a** lightning attack from a pissed skyfather. He sure would have died.. I'm not saying that Zeus can not defeat him, what I am saying is that the fight was lopsided due to fighting skills.

Like I said, I doubt the lightning was anything more than flash. The intention was it to be a straight up fight. That was made very clear. Zeus destroying him with punches with and without the charge supports the stance.

True, he was struck with a lightning bolt before, which certainly helps him save face. For the record, I doubt Zeus was pissed. At least, I remember him simply being annoyed when he smote the Hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You can argue Zeus is a better fighter if you want, but you're trying to turn this into a showing of superior skill which is asinine. It was clearly intended to be an illustration of far superior power and strength. Anyone with common sense can see that.

Zeus caught a punch from an enraged Green Scar with one hand under Pak. It's clear that more punches or not, the Hulk would have been stomped either way.

It was a one sided beat down from a far superior opponent. Get. Over. It.

facepalm

You're being a goddamn idiot.

You really don't get what I am telling you do you? You have completely flipped the script. Just forget it Rage.