Originally posted by Zack Fair
Like anyone thought Battlefield would beat it.It is sad really, because if they actually bothered they could make a much better game, but alas gamers and people in general do not like change. So that is why the franchise is so succesful IMO. People fear this word: [b]adapt
. Why bother learning a new metagame and mechanics if I can just rape faces like I have been doing for the past 4 years.Edit Battlefield sold a ton of units though. Glad for them. [/B]
Same here. It's good that BF3 is kicking ass in sales because at least that will provide incentive to put out more games of that quality.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"According to figures by VGChartz, Modern Warfare 3 sold a total of 9.3 million copies on launch day making it the biggest industry launch of all time. The Xbox 360 version had 54% of the sales, the PlayStation 3 version had 42% of the sales, while the PC version and Wii version combined had the remaining 4%. As a whole, Modern Warfare 3 is up 33% over Black Ops first day sales, and 55% up over Modern Warfare 2 first day sales.[65]""'When will this franchise peak?' Many asked this after last year's Black Ops defied all odds and outsold a Modern Warfare Call of Duty game (the very reason the series is so big today); a brand within itself. So it shouldn't come as a surprise that Call of Duty has yet again broken industry records, but it's by how much that makes it staggering.
A reported 1.5 million people queued at midnight globally to get their hands on Modern Warfare 3, with a total of 9.3 million copies sold on the first day. The Xbox 360 version sees around a 54% share, meaning it's the first game on one platform to pass 5 million on its first day. The PlayStation 3 version held 42%, which is around the 4 million mark. Both day ones are only slightly behind Black Ops entire first week sales. The PC version and the Wii version held the remaining 4%, which is around 370,000 units.
As a whole, Modern Warfare 3 is up 33% over Black Ops' first day sales, and a whopping 55% up on the previous Modern Warfare. the US and the UK combined account for 7 million, which is just over 75%.
Early data suggests first week sales are on course for around 12 to 13.5 million. With just over 87 million Call of Duty games already sold on home consoles and PC this generation, by the end of this week the Call of Duty franchise will have sold over 100 million games this generation."
Comparetively, Battlefield 3 sold 5 million units in a week.
So, there we have it. Once again CoD hasn't just beaten Battlefield in popularity and sales, but it's destroyed it in sales, and once again no one is even looking at BF3 anymore, aside from the BF fans.
Hence my point earlier in the thread. Why would BF3 become the standard for gameplay, when copying CoD gameplay results in "[i]the largest launch in history history".
Say what you want about MW3's actual quality as a game, but, this is the sad reality.
Without having full knowledge concerning the sales from BF3, but I believe the majority of those was on PC and lets be honest MW3 is getting absolutely nothing sold on PC. I know that the sales from BF3 is peanuts, but the development in the sales is worth a thought or two, iirc about the BF 3 pc sales.
Currently, over 76000 people played Modern Warfare 3 MP on Steam at the same time sometime today. As well, over 40000 people played the SP/Spec Ops/Survival at the same sometime today.
I highly doubt that MW3 is getting absolutely nothing sold on the PC. Well, not comparable to consoles, I think MW3 has sold at least a million units on Steam.
Finished the SP, played a bit of Spec Ops missions and Survival Mode and some MP.
Meh. Definitely not as a excited as I was in previous CoD (including Black Ops). I found the SP missions to be very similar throughout the game. It either starts off with a bang and continues to be crazy, or it starts off slow and sneaky and then bangs, and then goes crazy. Missions seem to blend together and I don't really remember which mission had what. The set pieces are great and there is some exciting moments but nothing comparable to previous CoD games. I also think that missions don't have enough time to start up and build up anticipation.
I really hope the next iteration of the series seriously changes the SP up. I do love CoD campaigns (since the Medal of Honor: Allied Assault) but there is always the same type of missions.
As for the MP, it's the same CoD since the original WW2 game. Everybody runs in circles. After playing BF3 for 15 hours, this MP is stale. They didn't change a thing.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I'm not sure I follow where you're going with that. BF3 probably sold more copies on the PC than Modern Warfare did, yes. The games were both released for the same consoles, though.
Rather simple really, in Gameplay Dice said that their primery focus was to reach the PC players, that they considered that as their market, the consoles was more a part of what you have to do today. In securing the pc players they have succeeded, by limiting MW 3 to below 500.000 copies on that platform.
It's all well and good for them to try and save face like that, but it's not relevant to my point about the sales, which is that very few people, percentage wise, really give a shit about Battlefield 3 or its gameplay, as MW3's sales have just proven. Hence, the assertion made on page... 5 or 6 of this thread, that Battlefield 3 is going to set the standard for a quality shooter and will "change the industry", is wrong. It isn't going to change the industry at all. No one is going to say "guys, we need to make a game that's like Battlefield; Battlefield is the game to beat".
Modern Warfare holds that title, and it looks like it's going to keep it for a very long time.
edit- Frankly though; I suspect that the only reason BF3 is selling more on PC has more to do with the fact that IW shit on PC players with the features they implemented in MW2, and less to do with Battlefield's being an omgamazing game. It only costs like a 100 bucks for both games; so if someone was even a casual fan of both they'd just buy both, not choose one over the other.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's all well and good for them to try and save face like that, but it's not relevant to my point about the sales, which is that very few people, percentage wise, really give a shit about Battlefield 3 or its gameplay, as MW3's sales have just proven. Hence, the assertion made on page... 5 or 6 of this thread, that Battlefield 3 is going to set the standard for a quality shooter and will "change the industry", is wrong. It isn't going to change the industry at all. No one is going to say "guys, we need to make a game that's like Battlefield; Battlefield is the game to beat".Modern Warfare holds that title, and it looks like it's going to keep it for a very long time.
edit- Frankly though; I suspect that the only reason BF3 is selling more on PC has more to do with the fact that IW shit on PC players with the features they implemented in MW2, and less to do with Battlefield's being an omgamazing game. It only costs like a 100 bucks for both games; so if someone was even a casual fan of both they'd just buy both, not choose one over the other.
That statement was made over 3 months ago, so nothing about saving anything from my perspective, it's rather choosing a battleground. Which by the looks of it MW3 did as well. Which is logical why go all out on both fronts when both companies can get a nice bit of income focusing on two different platforms? (I consider PS3 and Xbox one platform, PC the other)
Went through most of the Spec Op missoins.
I'm a bit disappointed. They are basically retreads of SP campaign which I don't really have a problem with because it's understandable but the majority of missions are the same. You need to go get something or carry something then go through a ton of enemies to do so.
There is a couple of good ones but I found MW2 spec ops missions to be brilliant. Considering MW2 had Spec Ops as well, I would think the mission wouldn't follow the same tread as those and kind of wanted something different.
Originally posted by UtrigitaDice's battleground is everything that makes them money, and everyone knows consoles are where the money's at, not PC's. So I highly doubt that the for-profit company that is Dice doesn't care about their console sales as much as they do their PC sales. The reason why PC BF3 is better than console BF3 is because a PC has infinitely more capabilities than any console; not because Dice just wanted the butter on their PC bread.
That statement was made over 3 months ago, so nothing about saving anything from my perspective, it's rather choosing a battleground. Which by the looks of it MW3 did as well. Which is logical why go all out on both fronts when both companies can get a nice bit of income focusing on two different platforms? (I consider PS3 and Xbox one platform, PC the other)
Even if they wanted to be all about their PC fanbase, they wouldn't be able to since their boss, EA Games, one of the greediest corporations on the planet, doesn't give a shit about fanbases and was constantly breathing down Dice's neck to make as much money as possible.
F ck YOU Infinity Ward! You totally f ck up the Scar-L in this game.
If you and an opponent have a simultaneous shootout, that gun will lose it for you. This is atrocious!
Might as well call it
"MODERN UMP45 3"
You either use sub machine guns or snipers on this game. All the Assault Rifles blow chunks in this game.
All the perks favorite Sub Machine Guns. No point in leveling up the weapon.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Dice's battleground is everything that makes them money, and everyone knows consoles are where the money's at, not PC's. So I highly doubt that the for-profit company that is Dice doesn't care about their console sales as much as they do their PC sales. The reason why PC BF3 is better than console BF3 is because a PC has infinitely more capabilities than any console; not because Dice just wanted the butter on their PC bread.Even if they wanted to be all about their PC fanbase, they wouldn't be able to since their boss, EA Games, one of the greediest corporations on the planet, doesn't give a shit about fanbases and was constantly breathing down Dice's neck to make as much money as possible.
And what maked them money this time around was obviously the PC, so that was their battleground (as they said), with their new graphical system it was imo a really obvious choice to focus on the PC over the consoles, which in the end was from the sales a sound PR strategi. Do you think Activision looks happily at only 370.000 sold copies on PC? Obviously not, but their focus, the consoles, paid off.
And Dice did, so what exactly do EA have to complain about? part of launching a game is also to focus on the player base, Witcher 2 for instance has their focus on the PC and then afterwards converts to Consoles (with a rather small sale in comparison), you as a developer know what market to hit.