RB, elsewhere
In addition, George Lucas proclaims the prequel trilogy as “the heyday, the golden age of Jedi,” referring to the expansive nature of their fights and battling as “a large group” in the behind the scenes featurette (7:01) of Attack of the Clones. Similarly, the Star Wars Saga Edition Core Rulebook (pg. 259) states that the Rise of the Empire Era sees the Jedi Knights at “their peak of power and influence.”
RB, elsewhere
I'm not terribly familiar with Arca Jeth's character, so I looked him up in ze Jedi Academy Taining Manual:"Master Jeth is humble in victory and introspective in defeat. He is a master strategist who is well versed in lightsaber combat, but he rarely fights in duels." -- JATM, pg. 96.
"His mastery of the ability [battle meditation] grows with each use, but he is not foolish enough to think himself invincible. Just as lightsaber combat has evolved over the centuries, Arca Jeth knows there will be others who will build upon his knowledge, someday bringing entire fleets together as one."
Interesting.
While information is lost, the idea that new techniques aren't created or old techniques aren't refined is unsupported by canon. While the Jedi Knights of the prequel trilogy weren't as experienced as previous generations of Jedi, George Lucas still refers to them as the golden age of Jedi. And why not? They had a millennium of uninterrupted study and dedication to the Jedi arts.
"His mastery of the ability [battle meditation] grows with each use, but he is not foolish enough to think himself invincible. Just as lightsaber combat has evolved over the centuries, Arca Jeth knows there will be others who will build upon his knowledge, someday bringing entire fleets together as one."
Could this not be referring to the way in which Lightsabers no longer had to be attached to backpacks via cables?
yeah, curious about that. It said that about the Jedi in ROT, are you sure you aren't get them mixed up?
Its the PT jedi. I don't really know why the ROT would use Niman considering they're fighting a war and Niman's a pretty lame style.
"Form VI, also called Niman, is the current standard in lightsaber training." - Cin Drallig, The Essential Guide to the Force.
Also remember that the PT jedi hadn't fought a lightsaber wielding foe in a millennia prior to the war.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
While information is lost, the idea that new techniques aren't created or old techniques aren't refined is unsupported by canon. While the Jedi Knights of the prequel trilogy weren't as experienced as previous generations of Jedi, George Lucas still refers to them as the golden age of Jedi. And why not? They had a millennium of uninterrupted study and dedication to the Jedi arts.
Exactly. And they were founded by the survivors of the war with the Brotherhood of Darkness, so they started with lightsaber masters a thousand years before and have a very strong tradition of duelists ever since, whatever the style has been prominent, and finally peaking with people like Dooku, Mace Windu, and Anakin.
I would think the old Sith of, say, the Hundred Years Darkness, who had tons of cool sithy sorcery abilities, would be outclassed when it came to blade to blade combat against CW era types.
So "peak of power and influence" about the Jedi totally means saber ability and Force powers, right? Because Jedi are all about the ass kicking?
The Jedi Order, acting as the right-handed to the Republic, did have more power and influence than before. Hell, they had more planets than before, no schisms, no Sith, hardly any Dark Siders to worry about. Their leader had been unchanged for nearly a thousand years and his dogma structured the Order from top to bottom. Yoda notes that his own dogmatic approach to the Order made it ill-prepared for the Clone Wars and the return of the Sith. Considering the majority of the Jedi excelled in the Diplomat's Form, it's a given that the Golden Age of the Jedi does not necessarily equate to fighting ability because their goals are peaceful and diplomatic in nature.
Whereas the Golden Age of the Sith indicates both stability in the Sith Empire and the apex of their arts - sith sorcery, alchemy, etc. All of the major Sith artifacts - amulets, swords, double bladed lightsabers, power packs for lightsabers (The Sith actually pioneered the modern lightsaber, not the other way around), ships which can rip the cores from stars and project them at enemy ships as what Aleema did with Sadow's ship, etc. All these amazing discoveries took place before and perhaps some time during Ragnos' iron rule. After his death, the majority of the Empire was divided and destroyed by the Jedi and infighting, while a remnant took off into the deep reaches of space.
The Golden Ages are not comparable in the sense of martial accomplishment because the Jedi are about balance and order and peace, while the Sith are about war, strength, and destruction. Different philosophies, different outcomes.
SM
So "peak of power and influence" about the Jedi totally means saber ability and Force powers, right? Because Jedi are all about the ass kicking?
Given the ass kicking that ensued in the Clone Wars and every other battle involving Jedi, I'd say to an extent, yes.
SM
The Jedi Order, acting as the right-handed to the Republic, did have more power and influence than before. Hell, they had more planets than before, no schisms, no Sith, hardly any Dark Siders to worry about.
The Clone Wars Campaign Guide elaborates that, in the context of peace-keeping, the Jedi had actually declined given the galaxywide reaction to rampant taxation and political corruption (pg. 121).
SM
Their leader had been unchanged for nearly a thousand years and his dogma structured the Order from top to bottom. Yoda notes that his own dogmatic approach to the Order made it ill-prepared for the Clone Wars and the return of the Sith. Considering the majority of the Jedi excelled in the Diplomat's Form, it's a given that the Golden Age of the Jedi does not necessarily equate to fighting ability because their goals are peaceful and diplomatic in nature.
You might want to reread Yoda's "notes" again.
ROTS, pg. 396
The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' inventive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves.They had become new.
While the Jedi--
The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war.
The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter his light, the darker their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when war itself had become the dark's own weapon.
The reason Yoda concludes that he was unable to stop Palpatine is precisely because they were too emphasized with fighting.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
The reason Yoda concludes that he was unable to stop Palpatine is precisely because they were too emphasized with fighting.
Exactly.
"You know those funky star-destroying Sith powers in the history books? Our answer is 'kill them with laser swords before they can use them'. Sith army? 'Kill them with laser swords'. We are very good at killing things with laser swords."
Blax
Yoda wasn't able to stop Palpatine because he was like five times smaller and had a much more precarious position on the platform when the explosion occurred.Another instance where EU provides a retarded explanation to an obvious situation.
I'm fairly certain Stover wasn't referring to just the duel itself, but Yoda's inability to stop Palpatine's plans.
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Which makes sense, thematically, given that it's how Luke managed to beat Palpatine at Endor.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Yoda wasn't able to stop Palpatine because he was like five times smaller and had a much more precarious position on the platform when the explosion occurred.Another instance where EU provides a retarded explanation to an obvious situation.
All that could have stood between the revenge of the sith and peace was a rail.