Thor vs Nova Prime in space, without Mjolnir...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
only to soothe the anal fissures thor fans received, none of that stuff happened in the comic. red hulk beat the piss out of him fair and square cause if there was any sort of draining, red hulk would have repeated it with more emphasis the next issue for found two

Whatever you say bud.

It was fun watching Loeb back track faster than any other writer. He pretty much admitted in an interview that Thor >>> Rulk I believe and soon after, Thor beat the shit out of Rulk in the rematch. Of course, this shit is prepared months in advance despite it not seeming like it.

I'd be very interested in reading, or hearing what Loeb had to say on the subject.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Thor's more powerful. That doesn't mean the gap's very large.

In close combat, yes, I think Thor would tear apart Richard if he tries a head on approach.

Let me put it this way: It'd be in his best interest to stay out of Thor's reach.

Assuming he's grounded and not using energy attacks.

Ah, but you'd have to write off Richard's own current durability and damage soak. Not to mention his huge speed advantage and his own class 100+ strength. Up close Thor would still be getting speed blitzed with gravity amped class 100 punches, optic blasts and compressed gravimetric pulses to his dome. Energy siphoning is also a viable option.

Originally posted by dmills
Ah, but you'd have to write off Richard's own current durability and damage soak. Not to mention his huge speed advantage and his own class 100+ strength. Up close Thor would still be getting speed blitzed with gravity amped class 100 punches, optic blasts and compressed gravimetric pulses to his dome. Energy siphoning is also a viable option.

Why would I have to write off Prime's durability and damage soak? I've read almost his entire run since Annihilation. If Thor punches, he will be better off not getting hit.

Rider's not blitzing Thor unless it's a ramming bull rush type tactic. Rider's strong, Thor's tougher.

Is this Richard Rider vs. Thor, or you as Nova Prime vs. Thor? I can start coming out with scenarios as well.

Evidence to support him siphoning Thor?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would I have to write off Prime's durability and damage soak? I've read almost his entire run since Annihilation. If Thor punches, he will be better off not getting hit.

Rider's not blitzing Thor unless it's a ramming bull rush type tactic. Rider's strong, Thor's tougher.

Is this Richard Rider vs. Thor, or you as Nova Prime vs. Thor? I can start coming out with scenarios as well.

Evidence to support him siphoning Thor?

For the record I'm not disputing that Thor is far stronger then Rider. I'm only arguing that his strength edge won't be enough to help him in this particular scenario.

I'm not debating anything because the "debate" was over before it started. Thor gets his ass kicked in this particular scenario. I'm only taking exception to a particular statement made by you, but it has no real effect on the outcome of the stips of this particular thread one way or another.

He's done it before to someone magic based. Also he shares a powerset with Garthan Saal and Powerhouse, both of whom have numerous direct energy leeching feats/showings.

Bookmarked. I'll reply later. Gotta go take a shit and then eat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bookmarked. I'll reply later. Gotta go take a shit and then eat.

Originally posted by dmills
Ah, but you'd have to write off Richard's own current durability and damage soak. Not to mention his huge speed advantage and his own class 100+ strength. Up close Thor would still be getting speed blitzed with gravity amped class 100 punches, optic blasts and compressed gravimetric pulses to his dome. Energy siphoning is also a viable option.

and yet your writing off Thor's ability to react to speedblitz (Glaidator), and that though few and far inbetween, Thor does has some speed feats. Thor's crazy ass durability and energy soak (fighting in the sun and surviving the blasts from celestials), His ability to generate an omi-directional Godblast, his class 100+ strengths that IMO dwarfs Nova Prime's strength. His thousands of years of battle experience..

So yeah, I agree with Rage, if Nova takes this up close he gets killed. He can and will win if he takes it long range thbough.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
and yet your writing off Thor's ability to react to speedblitz (Glaidator), and that though few and far inbetween, Thor does has some speed feats. Thor's crazy ass durability and energy soak (fighting in the sun and surviving the blasts from celestials), His ability to generate an omi-directional Godblast, his class 100+ strengths that IMO dwarfs Nova Prime's strength. His thousands of years of battle experience..

So yeah, I agree with Rage, if Nova takes this up close he gets killed. He can and will win if he takes it long range thbough.

Dear God.

It's unfair to take Mjolnir from Thor in a forum match. It's as much a part of Thor as is his fists. This thread is a special case since someone actually asked for it. Thor gets tooled here...

Nova can't even handle Norin Radd
What makes you think he can handle Thor with or without Mjolnir?

Originally posted by SasuOna
Nova can't even handle Norin Radd
What makes you think he can handle Thor with or without Mjolnir?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
and yet your writing off Thor's ability to react to speedblitz (Glaidator), and that though few and far inbetween, Thor does has some speed feats. Thor's crazy ass durability and energy soak (fighting in the sun and surviving the blasts from celestials), His ability to generate an omi-directional Godblast, his class 100+ strengths that IMO dwarfs Nova Prime's strength. His thousands of years of battle experience..

So yeah, I agree with Rage, if Nova takes this up close he gets killed. He can and will win if he takes it long range thbough.

All of this isn't the normal portrayal of Thor. Less have dropped him.

Originally posted by carver9
All of this isn't the normal portrayal of Thor. Less have dropped him.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Nova can't even handle Norin Radd
What makes you think he can handle Thor with or without Mjolnir?

Norrin Radd is stronger than Hammerless Thor by a quite significant amount.

Norrin is not physically stronger than Thor, with or without Mjolnir. Norrin should have the edge in power, but no, it's not by a significant amount and I can certainly debate the point if I were so inclined to.

Originally posted by dmills
You could say that about every character.

True enough.

Originally posted by dmills
What I get from you -correct me if I'm wrong- is that Rider can't stand a physical exchange with Thor for *any* length of time. That's demonstrably false if only for the fact that he's done it before. And as a much weaker incarnation at that. Even took a hit from the Hammer and was just fine. So for someone to suggest that he can't engage Thor at close range -as if h2h were the only option- is lowballing Rider imo. However if your contention is that Rider can't stand a *prolonged* purely physical encounter then I agree.

What is your definition of a physical exchange? If you mean standing there and trading blows, Nova would hold his ground from a few minutes to a few moments depending on how much strength Thor utilizes.

I’m pretty sure Rider made it clear with his own words that he did not take the blow in stride. True enough, but we all know it's the tier changing upgrades that matter the most. Rider is higher on the pecking order than he was back then, but he inhabits roughly the same tier as Iron Man when it comes to facing the big boys. He’ll make a name for himself, but he’s not in danger of winning most of the time.

Originally posted by dmills
For the record I'm not disputing that Thor is far stronger then Rider. I'm only arguing that his strength edge won't be enough to help him in this particular scenario.

In what particular scenario? Fighting Nova in space without Mjolnir or fighting Nova in close combat? I’m hoping it’s the former.

If we were to strip Thor of flight and other powers, making him only a brick, it’s true, Rider could simply stay out of range and give it all his got until he or Thor goes down.

Originally posted by dmills
I'm not debating anything because the "debate" was over before it started. Thor gets his ass kicked in this particular scenario. I'm only taking exception to a particular statement made by you, but it has no real effect on the outcome of the stips of this particular thread one way or another.

Lol? Not really. I can easily make an argument for the Odinson. Thor mostly uses Mjolnir for a club, and even limiting him to those showings, has illustrated more than enough to justify beating Nova. Without Mjolnir, Thor has exhibited vast energy projection, possesses his weather based abilities which on their own are immense and so on. It simply a matter of whether or not he’d utilize them. Even if he doesn’t, Nova would still be hard pressed to beat Thor straight up.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor58.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor59.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor60.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesDestructionStormGiants2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesDestructionStormGiants3.jpg

And no, this isn't me issuing a challenge for a feat war.

Originally posted by dmills
He's done it before to someone magic based.

Would you have access to a scan of that?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Norrin is not physically stronger than Thor, with or without Mjolnir. Norrin should have the edge in power, but no, it's not by a significant amount and I can certainly debate the point if I were so inclined to.

I am talking more total power rather than arm wrestling, and sans Mjolnir I would definitely give Surfer a very, very considerable advantage in a fight between the two.

Even if we assume Nova is an idiot or cant stand up to Thor in close combat he does still have Worldmind right?.Who I will assume with will instruct him to blast the shit out of Thor at range.

Like I said, if Thor's fighting like a brick and Nova stays out of range, his chances of winning improve. I don't think it's that far fetched to assume Nova can put Thor down, eventually.

Originally posted by Q99
I am talking more total power rather than arm wrestling, and sans Mjolnir I would definitely give Surfer a very, very considerable advantage in a fight between the two.

If you want to count something like his Godly Essence, Thor would have the edge imo, but besides that, Norrin should have more on tap. Throw in Thor's weather control and no, Norrin doesn't have a significant advantage in power. Not at all. Thor's lightning alone is incredibly powerful.

Sans Mjolnir, Surfer should get about 6-7/10 against Thor on average. Contrary to popular believe, Norrin usually flies around and blasts shit in the face. I'm going to ignore Thor taking Surfer's attacks in stride, and handing him his ass during Blood and Thunder. Not the norm unless specified.

We'll see how they match up in the following months. Norrin's coming to Asgard next week. That will give us some idea as to how the battle will go. Hopefully Fraction can just give us a good fight. I have a feeling Thor will lose however. Being noticeably weakened and all.