Bane with venom vs The Kingpin

Who wins?

From what I've seen of Kingpin, he seems to be a "ringer"...

Outperformed Spidey against Silverman, for one, holding his own for a little bit before losing.

Somehow KP is superhumanly strong and durable. As well as at least near peak human athletically. I don't know why, but he is. And he's a great fighter, too. I'd say he wins.

Bane doesn't need the venom. He takes it.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Bane doesn't need the venom. He takes it.

Kingpin beat Red Skull. RS couldn't even hurt him by kicking his legs or stomping on his insteps... He often gives Spidey and Daredevil problems, and again, he held his own against Silvermane, who's what, a 15 tonner?

It's ridiculous, some of the feats he has.

Really? What's he done without venom?

Bane's ripped a man's arm of and beaten him to death with it while not on Venom, which was pretty goddamn impressive. He's stalemated Batman while not on Venom once IIRC, he manhandled King snake, and he's done a bunch of other shit in Secret Six that's basically superhuman.

Oddly enough, KP'S ripped a guys arm off and beat him with it, too. Not to mention hanging with various superhumans. But I get you point. I think KP's a better fighter and just as fast, not to mention way better tacticion.

Originally posted by long pig
Oddly enough, KP'S ripped a guys arm off and beat him with it, too. Not to mention hanging with various superhumans. But I get you point. I think KP's a better fighter and just as fast, not to mention way better tacticion.

He's not a better tactician bro. While yes, Bane was portrayed as dumb muscle after his first couple of appearances, he has been definitively restored to the man who broke the bat as of late. That's a tie too. It's a close fight without Venom, with Venom though it's a stomp.

Originally posted by long pig
Oddly enough, KP'S ripped a guys arm off and beat him with it, too. Not to mention hanging with various superhumans. But I get you point. I think KP's a better fighter and just as fast, not to mention way better tacticion.

And much, much stronger.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He's not a better tactician bro. While yes, Bane was portrayed as dumb muscle after his first couple of appearances, he has been definitively restored to the man who broke the bat as of late. That's a tie too. It's a close fight without Venom, with Venom though it's a stomp.

Dude, KP isn't stronger than Bane w venom.

Originally posted by long pig
Dude, KP isn't stronger than Bane w venom.

The scan has KP ripping apart a steel scaffold with his bare hands.

That's WAY more impressive then ripping off someones arm and beating them with it.

Not to mention all the times KP overpowered Spidey... Could Bane lay claim to comparable, or greater, feats?

IIRC, when Bane first came out, he was damn intelligent. Literally had a photographic memory (he deduced Batman's true identity in about a year or so), and also came up with the plan of letting guys like Joker, Scarecrow, etc. out of prison so that he could tire Bats out as opposed to taking him on directly (it was how he got the upper hand against Bruce and broke his back, IIRC).

Don't know much about Bane now or more recent portrayals, but I know Bane was a damn good tactician at one point. If he's being restored back to that, then.....yeah.

His bio says the venom makes him stupid when he's on it. So, I dunno.

Originally posted by long pig
Really? What's he done without venom?

Owned 2 Hourmen at once. Who's much stronger than Kingpin.

Sounds badass. I never have him a chance because I hate villains who are nothing but brawn and no brains. What would you say his iq is?

Bane is an homage of Doc Savage, I believe. He's very smart when he wants to be.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Owned 2 Hourmen at once. Who's much stronger than Kingpin.

Could be less impressive then it sounds, considering the strength never came with comparable durability. Or not that I've seen, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, if he tanked some attacks or matched his strength, that's another story...

Originally posted by cdtm
Could be less impressive then it sounds, considering the strength never came with comparable durability. Or not that I've seen, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, if he tanked some attacks or matched his strength, that's another story...

He fought both of them. Check it out in the respect thread.