Bane with venom vs The Kingpin

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He fought both of them. Check it out in the respect thread.

The guy he tore the arm off of was wearing some kind of power armor. That's pretty impressive.

There's some good stuff in the respect thread, like ripping off a piece of concrete wall to use a a weapon, owning Azrael, breaking judomasters back..

His fight with the Hourmen for the most part happened without Miraclo, though. He actually prevented one of them from injecting himself with it, and this was a plot point so he could force them to become addicted to a new form of venom to save themselves.

Of the scans from their fight, there's only one that references Miraclo, and Bane does take a kick. Impressive in and of itself, but also inconsistent enough with his other feats where you can write it off as PIS.

Compare with multiple instances of Fisk outright overpowering Spiderman, with Spidey stating Kingpin's is hurting him, or Daredevil hurting his legs and hands against his body, and tiring himself out by repeatedly hitting him over the head with a billy club, to no effect.

Also, keep in mind he's quick enough to keep up with Spidey, as well.

Maybe it's not as one sided as I thought, but I still think Fisk has the edge.

And, even if we accept that Bane could regularly take an attack from a Miraclo enhanced Hourman, that still doesn't make this an auto win for Bane.

For the simple fact that Spidey himself, has taken attacks from high end bricks, like Hulk.

Yet Kingpin still manages to give him all he could handle, and often holds the upper hand.

Should be one hell of a fight, imo.

True, I think this could go either way. Both are equally strong.

Um, didn't Spidey make KP look like a chump when he started b*tch slappin him to humiliate him?

Is it true, that venom was revealed as a Mirclo derivative?

Has he ever carried cars or anything blatantly superhuman while on the stuff? Or has anyone else on venom? (Nothing like that in Banes respect thread.)

If he's a class 80 tonner, I take it back about this being a good fight...

Kingpin hasn't been at Spidey wrecking levels in a few decades AFAIK.

Bane wins.

Banes best strength feat recently while on venom is ripping a car apart like tissue granted cars arent even that durable anymore

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Kingpin hasn't been at Spidey wrecking levels in a few decades AFAIK.

Bane wins.

Bane wins

As much as I hate to say it, because it gives sm nut riders a boner, but Spidey held back on kp almost every time. Did anyone read the issue where daredevil beats kp nearly to death?

Originally posted by long pig
As much as I hate to say it, because it gives sm nut riders a boner, but Spidey held back on kp almost every time. Did anyone read the issue where daredevil beats kp nearly to death?

No. Is it a recent issue?

I guess Kingpin really has been depowered, if DD can beat him now.

Originally posted by long pig
As much as I hate to say it, because it gives sm nut riders a boner, but Spidey held back on kp almost every time. Did anyone read the issue where daredevil beats kp nearly to death?

Nah, I've espoused this a few times, and it's about era. KP just isn't written like he once was. It wasn't a holding-back issue. As incomprehensible as some of the feats were, KP demonstrated many times that he was as strong as Spidey, stronger than Cap, DD, Red Skull, even tooled Batman in a crossover (probably non-canon, but meh). He also broke steel bars, bent others, moved several-ton-sized objects, etc. etc. They aren't isolated feats.

Now, is SM > KP. Of course, at any point in time. But not because of brute strength (he once lost a straight-up grapple with KP) nor combat speed. He just has other tools that put him a leg up.

There's no official retcon, but it's ludicrous to say it's the exact same power level throughout the decades. It's just been a slow transition to just a schemer. Pre-90's KP owns. Post-90's get beaten. Anything in between, who knows. He lacks a ton of feats from that era. People want a nice, easy answer that is true for any incarnation, and it doesn't exist with KP.

He held back. Stop trying to be unbiased, digi and let the fanboy flag fly. I know you keep it tucked in your back pocket. Some may have never seen it but I have....😈

Originally posted by cdtm
No. Is it a recent issue?

I guess Kingpin really has been depowered, if DD can beat him now.

Originally posted by long pig
He held back. Stop trying to be unbiased, digi and let the fanboy flag fly. I know you keep it tucked in your back pocket. Some may have never seen it but I have....😈

Being a fan means admitting faults and limits. I don't give two sh*ts if my favorite characters lose in forum battles. That aspect of the forum is rather meaningless to me. 90% of the posting I do is simply when I feel I have some insight on the characters that many others don't.

Read through my reasoning and see if you find fault with it. It's about eras and how he was written. Current loses handily. Classic wins just as handily. There's no clear break in the two (which is why I left the 90's as sort of a "who knows?" time), but the difference is provably obvious.

Originally posted by cdtm
Is it true, that venom was revealed as a Mirclo derivative?

Has he ever carried cars or anything blatantly superhuman while on the stuff? Or has anyone else on venom? (Nothing like that in Banes respect thread.)

If he's a class 80 tonner, I take it back about this being a good fight...

It is related to Miraclo but does not provide near that level of strength.

The full formula of Miraclo has always been kept a secret to just the Hourmen.

I don't disagree at all, but you don't have to be so damn level headed all the time. There's nothing wrong with geeking out every so often. It'd be nice to see is all. 😄 Basically, you make us all look bad with your rationalality.

Originally posted by Digi
Nah, I've espoused this a few times, and it's about era. KP just isn't written like he once was. It wasn't a holding-back issue. As incomprehensible as some of the feats were, KP demonstrated many times that he was as strong as Spidey, stronger than Cap, DD, Red Skull, even tooled Batman in a crossover (probably non-canon, but meh). He also broke steel bars, bent others, moved several-ton-sized objects, etc. etc. They aren't isolated feats.

Now, is SM > KP. Of course, at any point in time. But not because of brute strength (he once lost a straight-up grapple with KP) nor combat speed. He just has other tools that put him a leg up.

There's no official retcon, but it's ludicrous to say it's the exact same power level throughout the decades. It's just been a slow transition to just a schemer. Pre-90's KP owns. Post-90's get beaten. Anything in between, who knows. He lacks a ton of feats from that era. People want a nice, easy answer that is true for any incarnation, and it doesn't exist with KP.

The funny thing about the Batman/Daredevil crossover, is it happened sometime in 2000. Seemed like classic Kingpin to me.

Originally posted by long pig
I don't disagree at all, but you don't have to be so damn level headed all the time. There's nothing wrong with geeking out every so often. It'd be nice to see is all. 😄 Basically, you make us all look bad with your rationalality.

😂

😉

Originally posted by cdtm
The funny thing about the Batman/Daredevil crossover, is it happened sometime in 2000. Seemed like classic Kingpin to me.

...yeah, I don't know what to make of that. I tend to ignore it, as most crossovers are non-canon. Anyway, the invisible "era divide" I perceive may be more recent than I previously stated, but it still exists in force. Otherwise it's impossible to rationally reconcile KP's last 5 years with, say, his first 5.

He's gotten older, maybe?