Originally posted by axel_jovan
Can I ask why do you thnik so?RotS Sidious is most probably > Caedus, both in sabers and with the force.
Windu handled Sidious, and I see no reason why he will not do the same to Caedus.
because I disagree with your statement that ROTS sidious is probably > Caedus, both in sabers and with the force. Perhaps with the force, but I see no indication of ROTS sidious being better with a lightsaber than Caedus.
Since Caedus also has shatterpoint, the one advantage that Mace had over Sidious is GONE in this fight.
Originally posted by ares834
BTW, Caedus wins.
Nah-uh.
Originally posted by truejedi
because I disagree with your statement that ROTS sidious is probably > Caedus, both in sabers and with the force. Perhaps with the force, but I see no indication of ROTS sidious being better with a lightsaber than Caedus.Since Caedus also has shatterpoint, the one advantage that Mace had over Sidious is GONE in this fight.
Back to Windu vs. Caedus.
Indeed, both have shatterpoint charisma, but it was not only this skill that enabled Mace to take Sids down.
I’d imagine Vaapad will allow Windu to go toe-to-toe with Caedus, even if the Sith lord is more powerful in the force (he likely is).
It boils down to saber skill, and in this case I have no problem conceding that in sabers Caedus is = or even > Sidious. BUT, still I see Windu as a better saber-duelist, and thus I give him a majority in all-out.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
It boils down to saber skill, and in this case I have no problem conceding that in sabers Caedus is = or even > Sidious. BUT, still I see Windu as a better saber-duelist, and thus I give him a majority in all-out.
Have you even read LotF? Caedus was a good match for Luke, which is more impressive than matching Sidious... He wins.
Right, but, if Caedus is only just as good as Sidious with a saber, and they go into a stalemate (one that the ROTS novel seems to say could only be broken by shatterpoint) it is a complete toss-up who will use it first and win. However, I am of the belief that Caedus is better with a saber than SIdious anyway, making the point kinda moot.
tj
Right, but, if Caedus is only just as good as Sidious with a saber, and they go into a stalemate (one that the ROTS novel seems to say could only be broken by shatterpoint) it is a complete toss-up who will use it first and win. However, I am of the belief that Caedus is better with a saber than SIdious anyway, making the point kinda moot.
This assumes that their skills with the technique are equal.
Windu and Sidious reached a stalemate in their duel until Windu applied the shatterpoint technique because his swordsmanship alone wasn't sufficient to defeat the Chancellor. Use of the shatterpoint charism enabled him to detect a weakness in Sidious's defense, which he exploited with a kick to the face.
The fight with Caedus could conceivably end the same way. The fact that Caedus knows the technique does not preclude this possibility.
For the record, I believe that Caedus was a superior swordsman to either Sidious or Windu at the beginning of Invincible, though I'm not certain that his skill with the shatterpoint charism is better.
Right, but it would only work that way if Mace was able to use shatterpoint first, so that is not a Mace advantage. Without that ADVANTAGE, Mace couldn't have beaten sidious, this could easily go the opposite. So Mace needs 2 things.
Be exactly as good as Caedus with a lightsaber (i'm not buying that) and being able to use shatterpoint first. (50-50)
So i'm thinking Caedus wins. Obviously mace COULD win, but i would pick caedus 8 of 10.
Who's to say that Caedus is sufficiently skilled with the technique to be able to use it to any advantage on Windu?
Consider Caedus's performance against Luke, another master of the shatterpoint charism. If using it first were all that required, would not the duel have ended differently?
Simply being able to detect shatterpoints doesn't give one the means to end a duel. Windu's duel against Palpatine was rare in that it established absolute parity between the duelists. There wasn't even a slight advantage on either side until Mace applied the technique.
Mace and Caedus would have to detect the shatterpoint and then be able to exploit it. Knowing your enemy's weakness and being able to do something about it are two different things, so I'm not buying the idea that this fight will be decided by some shatterpoint quickdraw.
Pwned
Dont forget Vapaads advantage against dark siders, Mace will be faster and stronger due to Caedus being a dark sider, feeding off his rage.
That theory requires more discussion and analysis. Consider that, according to the text, Vaapad only enabled Windu to become Palpatine's equal in combat, indicating that the form clearly has its limits.