Requirements for Worthiness?

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Based on this (ridiculous) definition of who would be a "true" (lol) warrior that is worthy of using Mjollnir, Ares would be the prime candidate for it.

I suggest you rethink what Mjollnir's all about 🙂

Excellent post.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He meant the parameters you set up for it would allow for Ares to be worthy.

did u read the parameters?

Yes.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

Its all about the warriors spirit, his/her fighting nature. The glory and awe thye instill in battle, to the point where it seems they almost have a zeal for it, without becoming [B]masochistic . Think about who has already weilded it. Thor/Beta Ray (asgardian, norse god/korbinite champion), Diana (warrior/amazon), Captain America (soldier). Captain Marvel, Superman, Goku, etc though great "fighters" do not fit into the warrior class.

They relish the thrill of battle, while simulataneously going for the greater good , and have no qualms about killing if it is necessary. They also do not live by the warriors code, think a medieval knights code of chivalry and you will get the picture. [/B]

re read it

"Warriors" come in different molds and temperaments. There's no one way to be a warrior.

For instance some of the greatest warriors in a lot of fictional settings hate fighting or having to fight, which ironically is the vital characteristic that makes them so good at fighting (they hone their skills so that they can end a fight as quickly as possible or so that they have the power to end a fight without needing to kill or maim to prevail).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Of course the enchantment apparently can show leniency to those who otherwise wouldn't be worthy as we saw with Superman. Bor failing later on also illustrates that it's not static.

Lol.

Originally posted by Allankles
"Warriors" come in different molds and temperaments. There's no one way to be a warrior.

For instance some of the greatest warriors in a lot of fictional settings hate fighting or having to fight, which ironically is the vital characteristic that makes them so good at fighting (they hone their skills so that they can end a fight as quickly as possible or so that they have the power to end a fight without needing to kill or maim to prevail).

Warriors are the people most efficient at winning a war (hence the term warrior). Nowhere is it ever stipulated that to be a good warrior you have to be willing to kill to get the job done as Sin I Am makes it seem. For all intents and purposes, a strategist that never even sees battle but decides movement of troops can be a warrior far above some mere bloodthirsty maniac. Hell, a guy that threatens the enemy with nukes and gets them to sign a peace treaty is theoretically an amazing warrior. He just won a war in one fell swoop.

I think you're thinking of the term "fighter", and Sin I Am is thinking of some outdated fantasy warrior image.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Warriors are the people most efficient at winning a war (hence the term warrior). Nowhere is it ever stipulated that to be a good warrior you have to be willing to kill to get the job done as Sin I Am makes it seem. For all intents and purposes, a strategist that never even sees battle but decides movement of troops can be a warrior far above some mere bloodthirsty maniac. Hell, a guy that threatens the enemy with nukes and gets them to sign a peace treaty is theoretically an amazing warrior. He just won a war in one fell swoop.

I think you're thinking of the term "fighter", and Sin I Am is thinking of some outdated fantasy warrior image.

I'm thinking of a warrior in the context of combatant. But yeah, a military strategist who has no combat skill can conceivably be worthy. With the powers of Thor such a person would be formidable.

Originally posted by long pig
DBZ is ****ing retarded. Also gay. Gaytarded. **** goku

Originally posted by Allankles
I'm thinking of a warrior in the context of combatant. But yeah, a military strategist who has no combat skill can conceivably be worthy. With the powers of Thor such a person would be formidable.

Don't see how Mjollnir would help out a strategist that doesn't engage in combat. Does it make you...more strategic?

😂

Originally posted by Ize19
WHAT! Did you ever see DBZ? How you can say that Goku doesn't relish the thrill of battle... for crying out loud, we're talking about somebody who LAUGHS, with the whole world on the line, when he realizes he's facing a challenge in combat! And of course he's concerned for the greater good, otherwise he wouldn't risk his life against opponents that utterly outclass him time and again, doing whatever he can to save the people of Earth.

As for qualms of killing, while living by a warriors code, he was certainly willing to kill the Red Ribbon Army, and King Piccolo, and Raditz, and Freeza, and Buu... but at the same time, he fought honorably against all of them, giving them opportunitites to surrender, and showing mercy against others that he wished to face again. The only one to whom he didn't didn't display this code was his brother, who was far too powerful for him and Piccolo to handle fairly, and who had threatened the life of his child.

Quite frankly, if Goku isn't worthy to wield the hammer, I don't know if anyone is.

Perfect.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
your missing the point. Thor/ Wonder Woman and Goku and DBZ characters are a totally different breed. Do you even know what a warrior is? look it up first then discuss it with me

Originally posted by Sin I AM
ummm no, I think because you see the character a certain way, you find it diffucult to believe that he wouldnt be able to lift the hammer. when i think of warrior in the classical sense, i think of amazon,knight, samurai, spartans, someone who embodies a warrior class society...dont get buthurt that he doesnt meet the criteria

s/n its all useless conjecture anyway because he will never get the oppurtunity to lift it anyway...so any point or opinion is baseless and moot

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Goku is a gawd damn warrior. Born of a warrior race that knew nothing else but fighting, and even when he completely lost his memory after landing on Earth as a baby, his warrior genes remained as strong as any other full blooded saiyan.

He fits the warrior mold more than almost anyone else posted in this thread.

It's in his blood. He loves the thrill of the fight. He's good of heart like Thor and prefers not to kill, but he can and has when pressed. Like Thor. The only difference between them really is that Goku is usually less uptight, he's a goof.

He was enjoying his fight with Frieza, cracking jokes the whole time, all the while during this planet was going to blow up in minutes. And he didn't care about that until the final countdown.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't need the hammer.

He already got planet busting power, untouchable speed, earth shaking strength. It would hinder him if anything. Controlling weather, doesn't need it since when he powers up, the planet goes haywire.

It would aid in flight speed but then, he has instant transmission. It would be good for someone like Krillin.

Another place, another time.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
You are right he really dosen't need it. I love how when he powers up it changes the weather patterns. Lightning and stuff. Broly had the baddest power up though. Bad ass 😎

Originally posted by Black bolt z

Nah, buu had the best power ups. When he got mad he broke dimensional barriers. [/B]

Buu did have some sweet power ups, but something about Brolys were cooler to me.

And we are in agreement that Goku can lift Thor's hammer. 🙂

Originally posted by Black bolt z

lol, my point is opinion based. And i wont engage in a debate with DBZ lovers as this board seems rife with them. All im saying is that IMO Goku does not fit my definition of a warrior, a fighter yes, but a warrior no. Meh, just chock it up to my outdated views of fantasy lore, and agree to disagree.

dbz shouldn't even be a topic to bring up here

Originally posted by psycho gundam
dbz shouldn't even be a topic to bring up here

i know the homosexuality meter goes to ten whenever japanime is discussed... 🙄

Originally posted by psycho gundam
dbz shouldn't even be a topic to bring up here

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Don't see how Mjollnir would help out a strategist that doesn't engage in combat. Does it make you...more strategic?

😂

He's become a walking nuke, with a mind for strategy he'd put that to good use in many instances. My point is, the more cerebral the wielder, the greater the effectiveness.

Not to mention with a super powered body, your combat abilities are as good as your imagination.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol, my point is opinion based. And i wont engage in a debate with DBZ lovers as this board seems rife with them. All im saying is that IMO Goku does not fit my definition of a warrior, a fighter yes, but a warrior no. Meh, just chock it up to my outdated views of fantasy lore, and agree to disagree.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Bor didn't fail the 2nd time he choose not to claim Mjolnir as he sensed Thor was still alive.

Sure as hell looked like he couldn't lift Mjolnir to me:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Mjolnir3.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Mjolnir4.jpg