Originally posted by AllanklesThrough prep maybe but the guy couldn't even depower the gl corps desaad had to expose their yellow weakness and his entire planet had to wage war. You really don't grasp how Darkseid is portrayed from story to story.
Huh?! You do know you didn't make much sense with that rebuttal 😬. But considering DS can depower skyfathers and entire pantheons of gods I fail to see how a mere enchantment would prevent him from doing anything.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Would Captain Marvell be able to lift it.
no, simply being a goddy-goody does not mean your worthy of lifting the hammer.
Its all about the warriors spirit, his/her fighting nature. The glory and awe thye instill in battle, to the point where it seems they almost have a zeal for it, without becoming masochistic. Think about who has already weilded it. Thor/Beta Ray (asgardian, norse god/korbinite champion), Diana (warrior/amazon), Captain America (soldier). Captain Marvel, Superman, Goku, etc though great "fighters" do not fit into the warrior class.
They do not relish the thrill of battle, while simulataneously going for the greater good, and have no qualms about killing if it is necessary. They also do not live by the warriors code, think a medieval knights code of chivalry and you will get the picture.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
no, simply being a goddy-goody does not mean your worthy of lifting the hammer.Its all about the warriors spirit, his/her fighting nature. The glory and awe thye instill in battle, to the point where it seems they almost have a zeal for it, without becoming masochistic. Think about who has already weilded it. Thor/Beta Ray (asgardian, norse god/korbinite champion), Diana (warrior/amazon), Captain America (soldier). Captain Marvel, Superman, Goku, etc though great "fighters" do not fit into the warrior class.
They do not relish the thrill of battle, while simulataneously going for the greater good, and have no qualms about killing if it is necessary. They also do not live by the warriors code, think a medieval knights code of chivalry and you will get the picture.
WHAT! Did you ever see DBZ? How you can say that Goku doesn't relish the thrill of battle... for crying out loud, we're talking about somebody who LAUGHS, with the whole world on the line, when he realizes he's facing a challenge in combat! And of course he's concerned for the greater good, otherwise he wouldn't risk his life against opponents that utterly outclass him time and again, doing whatever he can to save the people of Earth.
As for qualms of killing, while living by a warriors code, he was certainly willing to kill the Red Ribbon Army, and King Piccolo, and Raditz, and Freeza, and Buu... but at the same time, he fought honorably against all of them, giving them opportunitites to surrender, and showing mercy against others that he wished to face again. The only one to whom he didn't didn't display this code was his brother, who was far too powerful for him and Piccolo to handle fairly, and who had threatened the life of his child.
Quite frankly, if Goku isn't worthy to wield the hammer, I don't know if anyone is.
Originally posted by Ize19
WHAT! Did you ever see DBZ? How you can say that Goku doesn't relish the thrill of battle... for crying out loud, we're talking about somebody who LAUGHS, with the whole world on the line, when he realizes he's facing a challenge in combat! And of course he's concerned for the greater good, otherwise he wouldn't risk his life against opponents that utterly outclass him time and again, doing whatever he can to save the people of Earth.As for qualms of killing, while living by a warriors code, he was certainly willing to kill the Red Ribbon Army, and King Piccolo, and Raditz, and Freeza, and Buu... but at the same time, he fought honorably against all of them, giving them opportunitites to surrender, and showing mercy against others that he wished to face again. The only one to whom he didn't didn't display this code was his brother, who was far too powerful for him and Piccolo to handle fairly, and who had threatened the life of his child.
Quite frankly, if Goku isn't worthy to wield the hammer, I don't know if anyone is.
your missing the point. Thor/ Wonder Woman and Goku and DBZ characters are a totally different breed. Do you even know what a warrior is? look it up first then discuss it with me
Originally posted by Sin I AM
your missing the point. Thor/ Wonder Woman and Goku and DBZ characters are a totally different breed. Do you even know what a warrior is? look it up first then discuss it with me
I think that is the reason they made Diana able to wield MJOLNIR during Marvel vs DC. I know the whole thing is not canon, but still I can see the similarities between Diana and Thor.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
your missing the point. Thor/ Wonder Woman and Goku and DBZ characters are a totally different breed. Do you even know what a warrior is? look it up first then discuss it with me
Lol, what you mean is, you claimed that Goku couldn't qualify, because he lacked certain qualities. This claim was demonstrably false on every front. Now you want to claim he can't qualify, what, because he hasn't fought in an actual war? So what? In the DB verse, the closest thing we saw to an actual war taking place, was the attempted conquest of the Red Ribbon Army, and Goku was on the front lines of that battle. He and the Z warriors were Earth's troops against alien invasions.
Quite frankly, you're reaching to disqualify Goku, and you ought to know it. After taking another look at the first post I responded to, it seems to me that you are lumping him in along with other "Superman" characters, without realizing that just because he's looked up to in the same way they are, doesn't mean he views battle in the same way they do. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong on this one.
Originally posted by Ize19
Lol, what you mean is, you claimed that Goku couldn't qualify, because he lacked certain qualities. This claim was demonstrably false on every front. Now you want to claim he can't qualify, what, because he hasn't fought in an actual war? So what? In the DB verse, the closest thing we saw to an actual war taking place, was the attempted conquest of the Red Ribbon Army, and Goku was on the front lines of that battle. He and the Z warriors were Earth's troops against alien invasions.Quite frankly, you're reaching to disqualify Goku, and you ought to know it. After taking another look at the first post I responded to, it seems to me that you are lumping him in along with other "Superman" characters, without realizing that just because he's looked up to in the same way they are, doesn't mean he views battle in the same way they do. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong on this one.
People are just DBZ haters. Goku has all the qualities to lift the Hammer. You can't change peoples minds who are biased. F' what people think.
Originally posted by Ize19
Lol, what you mean is, you claimed that Goku couldn't qualify, because he lacked certain qualities. This claim was demonstrably false on every front. Now you want to claim he can't qualify, what, because he hasn't fought in an actual war? So what? In the DB verse, the closest thing we saw to an actual war taking place, was the attempted conquest of the Red Ribbon Army, and Goku was on the front lines of that battle. He and the Z warriors were Earth's troops against alien invasions.Quite frankly, you're reaching to disqualify Goku, and you ought to know it. After taking another look at the first post I responded to, it seems to me that you are lumping him in along with other "Superman" characters, without realizing that just because he's looked up to in the same way they are, doesn't mean he views battle in the same way they do. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong on this one.
ummm no, I think because you see the character a certain way, you find it diffucult to believe that he wouldnt be able to lift the hammer. when i think of warrior in the classical sense, i think of amazon,knight, samurai, spartans, someone who embodies a warrior class society...dont get buthurt that he doesnt meet the criteria
s/n its all useless conjecture anyway because he will never get the oppurtunity to lift it anyway...so any point or opinion is baseless and moot
Originally posted by carver9
Was kind of tipsy when I wrote that. Even though I was tipsy I was "partial" right. I have proof that Goku could shed a solar system from the manga.I wish me and Akira was homeboys.
What's wrong with you man!!!! I thought you had some inside infor from the man himself. 🙁
Originally posted by Sin I AM
your missing the point. Thor/ Wonder Woman and Goku and DBZ characters are a totally different breed. Do you even know what a warrior is? look it up first then discuss it with me
You do know that Storm lifted the hammer right?
As for Goku... there is something similar in DBZ that Goku had to meet the same requirements to use... its the Flying Nembus. In order to fly it you have to meet those qualities and Goku was the only one who was able to even put his foot on it.
Yeah... he meets the requirements.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
What's wrong with you man!!!! I thought you had some inside infor from the man himself. 🙁
I wish I did 🙁.
The manga should be good enough and Akira did state during an interview that if Gohun didn't stop Cells attack, it would have been the end of their Solar System. I posted the interview in the "Goku vs Superman" fight.
Originally posted by carver9
I wish I did 🙁.The manga should be good enough and Akira did state during an interview that if Gohun didn't stop Cells attack, it would have been the end of their Solar System. I posted the interview in the "Goku vs Superman" fight.
LOL as always I am just giving you a hard time. It's all good. 😄
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that Storm lifted the hammer right?As for Goku... there is something similar in DBZ that Goku had to meet the same requirements to use... its the Flying Nembus. In order to fly it you have to meet those qualities and Goku was the only one who was able to even put his foot on it.
Yeah... he meets the requirements.
That's right Storm did lift the hammer. Yeah she is a real warrior. 🙄 Goku with Thor's powers would be so bad ass.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
LOL as always I am just giving you a hard time. It's all good. 😄That's right Storm did lift the hammer. Yeah she is a real warrior. Goku with Thor's powers would be so bad ass.
He doesn't need the hammer.
He already got planet busting power, untouchable speed, earth shaking strength. It would hinder him if anything. Controlling weather, doesn't need it since when he powers up, the planet goes haywire.
It would aid in flight speed but then, he has instant transmission. It would be good for someone like Krillin.
Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't need the hammer.He already got planet busting power, untouchable speed, earth shaking strength. It would hinder him if anything. Controlling weather, doesn't need it since when he powers up, the planet goes haywire.
It would aid in flight speed but then, he has instant transmission. It would be good for someone like Krillin.
You are right he really dosen't need it. I love how when he powers up it changes the weather patterns. Lightning and stuff. Broly had the baddest power up though. Bad ass 😎
Originally posted by Sin I AM
no, simply being a goddy-goody does not mean your worthy of lifting the hammer.Its all about the warriors spirit, his/her fighting nature. The glory and awe thye instill in battle, to the point where it seems they almost have a zeal for it, without becoming masochistic. Think about who has already weilded it. Thor/Beta Ray (asgardian, norse god/korbinite champion), Diana (warrior/amazon), Captain America (soldier). Captain Marvel, Superman, Goku, etc though great "fighters" do not fit into the warrior class.
They do not relish the thrill of battle, while simulataneously going for the greater good, and have no qualms about killing if it is necessary. They also do not live by the warriors code, think a medieval knights code of chivalry and you will get the picture.
Based on this (ridiculous) definition of who would be a "true" (lol) warrior that is worthy of using Mjollnir, Ares would be the prime candidate for it.
I suggest you rethink what Mjollnir's all about 🙂
Goku is a gawd damn warrior. Born of a warrior race that knew nothing else but fighting, and even when he completely lost his memory after landing on Earth as a baby, his warrior genes remained as strong as any other full blooded saiyan.
He fits the warrior mold more than almost anyone else posted in this thread.
It's in his blood. He loves the thrill of the fight. He's good of heart like Thor and prefers not to kill, but he can and has when pressed. Like Thor. The only difference between them really is that Goku is usually less uptight, he's a goof.
He was enjoying his fight with Frieza, cracking jokes the whole time, all the while during this planet was going to blow up in minutes. And he didn't care about that until the final countdown.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Based on this (ridiculous) definition of who would be a "true" (lol) warrior that is worthy of using Mjollnir, Ares would be the prime candidate for it.I suggest you rethink what Mjollnir's all about 🙂
noway in my post did i even remotely suggest that Ares could lift it....maybe u should develop reading comprehension.