Thor & Hercules Vs Real life earth

Originally posted by rotiart
I'm glad then you were so intelligent so as to read the op that bigC himself posted which does not mention colossus....

And yet the thread starter suddenly brings him up...

And you act as if that suddenly changes the entire thread or the op?

You chose not to read any posts in the thread and are acting as if you did. [/B]

Oh no. The point is I'm glad you are demonstrating your flaccid comprehension skills even more by not getting how the whole thing reads back into a pointless, unwarranted teasing of Big C.

I will break it down for you, very slowly and simply.

1. Big C is the creator of the thread. So he obviously knows the parameters.

2. H1 brings up a belief that armor piercing rounds can go through either Herc or Thor. Big C in a brief, harmless, tangentially related comment responds to this by stating he feels that Colossus, who he will openly admit is on a lower tier than either, would be able to tank those same bullets.

3. Existere responds to item 2. in an inflated manner that makes out as if item 1. somehow isn't the case. And makes aim at questioning his intelligence as if the brief comment Big C made was something radical in terms of tone in wording and inappropriateness to bring up within a comic book discussion thread, and as if Big C doesn't understand that fictional characters are being discussed (despite the discussion being in the very same area that was mentioned above). Not to mention the fact that Big C himself made this thread which is about Thor and Herc vs 'real life earth'. Which needless to say is already a clear demonstration of the parameters that Existere questioned as a barb towards Big C. 🙂

4. And here we are now. 🙂

So again. Learn to read. Seriously. Your (notice not you're) attempts are laughable.

Well, now that we know your last foothold is grasping for grammar superiority in desperation, that you don't have anything left to give. Sorry, you have failed. Until next time my dear idiot 🙂

Seal Team 6 ends one of them.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Oh no. The point is I'm glad you are demonstrating your flaccid comprehension skills even more by not getting how the whole thing reads back into a pointless, unwarranted teasing of Big C.

I will break it down for you, very slowly and simply.

1. Big C is the creator of the thread. So he obviously knows the parameters.

2. H1 brings up a belief that armor piercing rounds can go through either Herc or Thor. Big C in a brief, harmless, tangentially related comment responds to this by stating he feels that Colossus, who he will openly admit is on a lower tier than either, would be able to tank those same bullets.

3. Existere responds to item 2. in an inflated manner that makes out as if item 1. somehow isn't the case. And makes aim at questioning his intelligence as if the brief comment Big C made was something radical in terms of tone in wording and inappropriateness to bring up within a comic book discussion thread, and as if Big C doesn't understand that fictional characters are being discussed (despite the discussion being in the very same area that was mentioned above). Not to mention the fact that Big C himself made this thread which is about Thor and Herc vs 'real life earth'. Which needless to say is already a clear demonstration of the parameters that Existere questioned as a barb towards Big C. 🙂

4. And here we are now. 🙂

Well, now that we know your last foothold is grasping for grammar superiority in desperation, that you don't have anything left to give. Sorry, you have failed. Until next time my dear idiot 🙂

Except that the comment prior mentions that both would fall to those bullets...
And bigC comments that he bets colossus would tank them...

That doesn't say he thinks colossus has a lesser durability but a greater one...

Again. U failed to read the posts in the manner as written. Thanks for playing the fool.

Smh...

Will ya'll muthaf*ckas get a room or something?

Yeah. You've clearly lost. Aren't even reading what I say anymore.

It's ok man. I grant you clemency for your failure. I will forget it ever happened. 🙂

Smh...

As always, I will cede to your greatness bruh. Taking my leave now. 😛

Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

Will ya'll muthaf*ckas get a room or something?

Only if I'm bought dinner first. Then I'll put out for you... :-P

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yeah. You've clearly lost. Aren't even reading what I say anymore.

It's ok man. I grant you clemency for your failure. I will forget it ever happened. 🙂

As always, I will cede to your greatness bruh. Taking my leave now. 😛

... Clearly... Lol... Glad to see you finally conceded.

Originally posted by h1a8
No. Todays tanks use HEAT and KE to penetrate other tanks along with other type of ammo (like shells). These are not shells but bullets (well the KE looks like a dart).

... which means what?

the round, whatever it might be, is still far heavier than a bullet from a plane, and serves a completely different purpose...

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course it depends on the caliber and other factors as well (like the actual technology). The velocity is far more important than the mass of a bullet since kinetic energy = .5mass x velocity^2. Doubling the mass doubles the kinetic energy but doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy.

sort of

when it comes to AP rounds, it is more about the density of the penetrator than anything else

I get that this is a bit like saying "the ignition system is more important than gas in starting a car", but the general design of an AP round is such that it requires an extremely dense core that will push through the armour, at high velocity. Velocity is important, clearly, but in terms of "what makes a good AP round", it is all in the penetrating core. It is why depleted uranium is so effective, it is incredibly dense, it has nothing to do with uranium being "high velocity".

with regards to tanks vs planes AP ability, there are a couple of issues. Planes aren't designed to engage ground targets with their guns primarily. air-to-air fighters (f-23) are designed to use their bullets to carve up enemy aircraft, air-to-ground fighters (X-35) are designed with large payloads in mind, and are far more effective with bombs and other munitions than they are with bullets (I don't even know if the X-35 has mounted guns...). Either of these type of plane engaging ground forces with bullets puts itself at a huge risk of some type of SAM attack, and if you have air superiority in the first place, you are a moron if you aren't using your artillery to take out enemy lines.

now, if you wanted to conduct some type of thought experiment, where the munition caliber between the tank and the plane were the same, but the power behind the projectile were unchanged, the tank would produce a far more powerful shot (a projectile of higher velocity) than would a plane. Even if we assume the same power behind the bullets (which would make the tank's design laughable... ie: this is not what tanks are designed for) the longer barrel of the tank would produce higher velocity and longer range shots than would a stationary plane mounted gun.

nukes--multiple--would kill them but the cost would probably be too high. depending on the showings, it could potentially take quite a bit less than a nuke. thor also has superspeed which would be a biatch for the real world.

i've often wondered if a sniper with a high-calibre round could kill thor or herc with a bullet right through the eye. i also think some uber-poisons, in high enough doses, may have an effect. gas would as well, though if thor can use his hammer to spin he could dissipate it quickly enough.

Can Immortal Herc be killed?

Well ideally speaking Hercules was granted immortality by his father Zeus right? We assume Zeus is an immortal right? And Zeus has been killed..

I'd say yes though circumstances will probably be sketchy.

Originally posted by Mindset
Can Immortal Herc be killed?

yeah, he can be killed, like zeus was, if there is enough damage done. not sure a high calibre bullet through the eye would do it, but it sure as hell would hurt.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, he can be killed, like zeus was, if there is enough damage done. not sure a high calibre bullet through the eye would do it, but it sure as hell would hurt.

there is bone and tissue behind the eye before the brain, so even if the eye was a "weak point", it might only serve to blind them

ares doesnt have flight

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, he can be killed, like zeus was, if there is enough damage done. not sure a high calibre bullet through the eye would do it, but it sure as hell would hurt.

Originally posted by h1a8
The top armored piercing bullets shot by jets would end them both.

know what? i think i agree with you. the movie "last action hero" comes to mind..where arnold swatenwhatthell was a movie action hero and was like invincible there. but when he passed through the movie thingy and came to the real world, he got his ass kicked.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ares doesnt have flight

Another way would be to put these guys to sleep some kind of way (like a colorless and oderless knockout gas or something). Then put them in the strongest straight jackets (kevlar with dragon skin) reinforced by a 6 inch thick tungsten carbide cast straight jacket over the other. Then dump them both seperately into middle of their own 20ftx20ftx20ft bin of molten steel alloy. Then quickly cool it to solid. This should hold them until they die from starvation. They have no leverage in which to break free while 10ft of the strongest metal is surrounding them in every direction skin tight.

But the key to this all is putting them to sleep. I'm not sure whether these two are immune to the strongest sleep gases. After all both can get drunk.

yea i read somewhere that it takes somewhere in the area of 1 Million Tons to physcially tear a 1 inch steel beam (no bending just flat out tearing/pulling it apart) so since real world physics apply people like superman or hercules would have trouble tearing a steel beam the size of an inch

who would of thought.....

(you guys can look it up if you dont believe me)

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yea i read somewhere that it takes somewhere in the area of [b]1 Million Tons to physcially tear a 1 inch steel beam (no bending just flat out tearing/pulling it apart) so since real world physics apply people like superman or hercules would have trouble tearing a steel beam the size of an inch

who would of thought.....

(you guys can look it up if you dont believe me) [/B]

Actually it is 1 million newtons (not tons).
1 million newtons = 112.4 tons of force.

So that type of steel (there are thousands of kinds) has a tensile strength (or TS) of 1550Mpa, which is stronger than the average type of steel.

Piano wire steel has a TS of about 2300Mpa.
So it would take about 167 tons of force to break a 1 in^2 piece.

The TS of kevlar is about 2757Mpa and thus it would take about 200 tons of force to break the same size piece.

Now in my post, after putting them to sleep, I offered up a 20ftx20ft (or 400ft^2) sized trap for them. So if we use the steel of your example above (1550Mpa) then it would take over 6 million tons to break. And for kelvar this size it, over 11 million tons to break. IMO, these two can't break these things in the position they would be in (straight jacket position). This is because they are not in a position where they use their maximum force (no leverage). And even putting their hands behind their backs would rob them of even more leverage. Just to be clear, if I can lift 200lb using all of my leverage then I probably can only muster up 30lb of force or less if I'm exerting against something in straight jacket position.

Note: the strongest substance known to man is Graphene. It has a tensile strength of 130,000Mpa which means it would take over 500 million tons of force to break a 400ft^2 sized piece. But Graphene is the most expensive thing known to man as well. It costs $1000 just for an amount the size of the cross section of a human hair.