Originally posted by wildernesssDid you ignore the scan??? Hate it when people do that. Makes it that much harder to talk to them. The void was holding Thor in one of his tendrils and attacking the other heroes, and the scan says that the void regained control. Bob may be preventing the void from returning but saying the void was not in control at the end is very much incorrect.
you're contradicting yourself. void did not have "control at the end" if bob was holding it back & screaming demands at thor. bob was obviously more in control right before he died as he was able to will himself not to regenerate. void would have popped right back.
Originally posted by DamborgsonWhatever was in control wanted to die only after Bob resurfaced. The Void doesn't want to die and has no remorse. Thor is easily dominated here since the Void can come back from complete annihilation if he wants to.
Did you ignore the scan??? Hate it when people do that. Makes it that much harder to talk to them. The void was holding Thor in one of his tendrils and attacking the other heroes, and the scan says that the void regained control. Bob may be preventing the void from returning but saying the void was not in control at the end is very much incorrect.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Did you ignore the scan??? Hate it when people do that. Makes it that much harder to talk to them. The void was holding Thor in one of his tendrils and attacking the other heroes, and the scan says that the void regained control. Bob may be preventing the void from returning but saying the void was not in control at the end is very much incorrect.
Bob had enough control (even if it was 51%) in the end to will the bob/sentry/void entity to remain dead. void had partial control at the very best. it was bob screaming at thor to destroy him, even while the void took partial possession. If the void had true control (total control) then that fly swat from thor would have meant nothing. sentry (not void, JUST sentry) has survived complete molecular destruction & being in the heart of the sun. that is FAR more than thor's fly swat. so all of that is bunk & fail. thor "won" & "beat him" because bob willed it & allowed it.
Originally posted by quanchi112Even so would the void do this in time for it to not count as a forum win for Thor? Drax killed Thanos. Yeah Thanos blew Drax to bits a bit later but Drax defeated him first.
Whatever was in control wanted to die only after Bob resurfaced. The Void doesn't want to die and has no remorse. Thor is easily dominated here since the Void can come back from complete annihilation if he wants to.
Originally posted by quanchi112he can come back as much as he wants, it still doesnt help him. the only question is if thor can kill him once or not.
Whatever was in control wanted to die only after Bob resurfaced. The Void doesn't want to die and has no remorse. Thor is easily dominated here since the Void can come back from complete annihilation if he wants to.
Originally posted by wildernesssPartial possession would not have produced the result in form that took place once the Void to control. That scream was the end of Bob before he was consumed by the void again. 😂 Lmao at u calling that attack a "fly swat" Its was powerful enough to incinerate the void. Such a gross underestimation of Thor's abilities If Bob had more control than the void did he would not have allowed it to attack the heroes again and hold down Thor. Thor just overpowered and killed it at the end. Sorry bud but Thor took him down whether u like it or not.
Bob had [B]enough control (even if it was 51%) in the end to will the bob/sentry/void entity to remain dead. void had partial control at the very best. it was bob screaming at thor to destroy him, even while the void took partial possession. If the void had true control (total control) then that fly swat from thor would have meant nothing. sentry (not void, JUST sentry) has survived complete molecular destruction & being in the heart of the sun. that is FAR more than thor's fly swat. so all of that is bunk & fail. thor "won" & "beat him" because bob willed it & allowed it. [/B]
Originally posted by DamborgsonIt's just like a bfr it all depends on the amount of time.
Even so would the void do this in time for it to not count as a forum win for Thor? Drax killed Thanos. Yeah Thanos blew Drax to bits a bit later but Drax defeated him first.
Also Thanos was weakened and Void/Bob won't be demanding Thor kill him.
It'd be like Superman screaming kill me WW her doing so and that being a legitimate debate on how these two fight despite the fact Superman wanted her to kill him.
Originally posted by Lord_TalronThe only reason he didn't come back immediately is because he didn't want to. The writer even stated this. Void also easily kills Thor since he easily had him and the avengers beat before Loki amped them.
he can come back as much as he wants, it still doesnt help him. the only question is if thor can kill him once or not.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Partial possession would not have produced the result in form that took place once the Void to control. That scream was the end of Bob before he was consumed by the void again. 😂 Lmao at u calling that attack a "fly swat" Its was powerful enough to incinerate the void. Such a gross underestimation of Thor's abilities If Bob had more control than the void did he would not have allowed it to attack the heroes again and hold down Thor. Thor just overpowered and killed it at the end. Sorry bud but Thor took him down whether u like it or not.
compared to complete molecular disintegration via molecule man & being burnt to nothing in the sun....yes, that blow from thor is clearly inferior. thor attempted a nearly identical attack several panels earlier....no effect.....why? because void was in total control . the norn stones & hellicarrier were a plot device which snapped bob back into the driver's seat. and partial possession is EXACTLY what happened. bob was voiding out in form energetically, but still had enough control to scream at thor to destroy him & will himself to remain dead. sentry could only die & remain dead if he willed it. this is backed up by the dark avengers series, especially the last arc.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yep and thats why it counts as a win for Thor and Drax.
It's just like a bfr it all depends on the amount of time.Also Thanos was weakened and Void/Bob won't be demanding Thor kill him.
It'd be like Superman screaming kill me WW her doing so and that being a legitimate debate on how these two fight despite the fact Superman wanted her to kill him.
Only to a point. Thanos was still superior to the guadians of the galaxy by a fair amount.
That case would only work in the situation where superman was being mind controlled or something. A better comparison would be the possessed superman vs captain marvel fight where superman gained partial control and told Cap to kill him but was overwhelmed again. Same deal here.
Void wins this no probs.
And anyone who had a clue about Void would know so as well.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor has already beaten him, so Thor wins.
If you mean Sentry being knocked back into control of his vody and begging for death while Void tried to vomit his way back into existence.
And Thor killing Sentry.
And Sentry not willing himself back. Suuuuuuure.
But that aint happening in a forum fight.
Not when both entities WANT TO WIN AND HAVE NO REASON TO WANT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by wildernesssOh so now its just an "inferior attack" and not a flyswat huh? lol. Making progress. Just cuz Bob wanted to be killed does not mean that the voids durability went away or was diminished. The attack was just more powerful than anything Thor had unleashed upon the void before.
compared to complete molecular disintegration via molecule man & being burnt to nothing in the sun....yes, that blow from thor is clearly inferior. thor attempted a nearly identical attack several panels earlier....no effect.....why? because [B]void was in total control . the norn stones & hellicarrier were a plot device which snapped bob back into the driver's seat. and partial possession is EXACTLY what happened. bob was voiding out in form energetically, but still had enough control to scream at thor to destroy him & will himself to remain dead. sentry could only die & remain dead if he willed it. this is backed up by the dark avengers series, especially the last arc. [/B]
No effect? lol http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5246/siege01009.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8544/siege01010.jpg
the attack hurt the void. It just wasnt as powerful as this.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2731/siege01022.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5052/siege01023024.jpg
yeah yeah the he was screaming "kill me!" but at the same time he blew back the heroes and held down Thor. I can admit that the void didnt have full control. I had actually already said that Bob is what is keeping the void from returning. But Bob clearly did not have control at then end. At least not enough to keep the void from attacking those who were once his friends.
No one but Thor could take the void down. So he did it. He incinerated the void. Its not like just because Bob wanted to die that the void was an easy kill. Thor used an enormous amount of power and took the void down. Bob is just restraining it from coming back is all. It still counts as a win for Thor.
It would be the same thing in the thread you made. If Thor totally incinerates the Void again it would count a forum win.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh so now its just an "inferior attack" and not a flyswat huh? lol. Making progress. [b]Just cuz Bob wanted to be killed does not mean that the voids durability went away or was diminished. The attack was just more powerful than anything Thor had unleashed upon the void before.No effect? lol http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5246/siege01009.jpg [/B]
And then we see a scan of Cap's shield taking his head off. 😛
So, are we arguing that Thors normal attack could have killed Void no matter what he wanted? Or, are we arguing that Loki amped Thor?
Because, that's what I'm seeing from the scans. Void notices Thor is more powerful, and makes a connection to Loki.
If nothing else, you've made me reconsider that maybe Void didn't die because he wanted to, but maybe a combination of Loki's magic and Thor's hammer is the uber.
Originally posted by cdtmhaha Cap doing that to Void was something...Another Bendis fail..even if i did honestly enjoy Siege.
And then we see a scan of Cap's shield taking his head off. 😛So, are we arguing that Thors normal attack could have killed Void no matter what he wanted? Or, are we arguing that Loki amped Thor?
Because, that's what I'm seeing from the scans. Void notices Thor is more powerful, and makes a connection to Loki.
If nothing else, you've made me reconsider that maybe Void didn't die because he wanted to, but maybe a combination of Loki's magic and Thor's hammer is the uber.
Yeah. That final attack by Thor was more powerful than anything the void had dealt with before. It was hammer+ubber lightning attack.
Loki's magic ceased once he was killed. Thor did it on his own. The void didnt want to die, Bob just didnt let it comeback. Thor still owned it.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Void wins this no probs.And anyone who had a clue about Void would know so as well.
If you mean Sentry being knocked back into control of his vody and begging for death while Void tried to vomit his way back into existence.
And Thor killing Sentry.
And Sentry not willing himself back. Suuuuuuure.
But that aint happening in a forum fight.
Not when both entities WANT TO WIN AND HAVE NO REASON TO WANT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Thor kills him, the fight is over. If Sentry manages to come back, they can have a second fight.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh so now its just an "inferior attack" and not a flyswat huh? lol. Making progress. Just cuz Bob wanted to be killed does not mean that the voids durability went away or was diminished. The attack was just more powerful than anything Thor had unleashed upon the void before.No effect? lol http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5246/siege01009.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8544/siege01010.jpg
the attack hurt the void. It just wasnt as powerful as this.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2731/siege01022.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5052/siege01023024.jpg
yeah yeah the he was screaming "kill me!" but at the same time he blew back the heroes and held down Thor. I can admit that the void didnt have full control. I had actually already said that Bob is what is keeping the void from returning. But Bob clearly did not have control at then end. At least not enough to keep the void from attacking those who were once his friends.
No one but Thor could take the void down. So he did it. He incinerated the void. Its not like just because Bob wanted to die that the void was an easy kill. Thor used an enormous amount of power and took the void down. Bob is just restraining it from coming back is all. It still counts as a win for Thor.
It would be the same thing in the thread you made. If Thor totally incinerates the Void again it would count a forum win.
Makes sense, thank you.
Thor wins.
