Warrior Madness Thor VS Sentry/Void

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really?

I think normal Thor, all things considered, has the firepower needed to "kill" Sentry/Void. WM Thor, even more so. Keeping him dead is something else.

Void died when he/Bob wanted to. Thor was forced into it by Void/Bob.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Death and BFR aren't the same, so I see no reason for BFR's rules to apply to being killed.

read my post 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so considering Void was dealing with Thor's attacks before along with an amped norn stone Thor along with the avengers as well.

Eh, he took on a Thor who had went through hell from the U-Foes/DA and whom obviously hadn't recovered fully. He also took on an vaguely defined amped Thor. Considering the history of the Norn Stones as a whole, I don't think Thor w/Norn amp + Avengers w/Norn Amp => Warrior Madness Thor. Imo, of course.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
i agree. death isnt bfr. you are still on the battlefield and you arent trapped or anything; you are just dead...

but your body (or whats left of it is there). i suppose an official statement by the moderation would be better than us arguing back and forth (both are arguments make sense imo)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Eh, he took on a Thor who had went through hell from the U-Foes/DA and whom obviously hadn't recovered fully. He also took on an vaguely defined amped Thor. Considering the history of the Norn Stones as a whole, I don't think Thor w/Norn amp + Avengers w/Norn Amp => Warrior Madness Thor. Imo, of course.

Void also brought down asgard, etc. I don't see Thor being able to take on the Void plsu the avengers if their roles were reversed I see him easily beaten into the ground.

I think Thor with warrior madness would probably be greater as well but I also don't see him able to destroy the Void since he can alter his own molecules and did so against his wife when she shot him showing despite his body damage it really has no effect.

Since Sentry/Void could talk and walk around with his brains hanging out of his head and his head cut off by Caps shield I actually doubt that the board rule of "kill them once and you win" really comes into play here.

As for Void being in control at the end of the day Bob/Void/Sentry are the same person. particularly by the end of Dark Avengers when the distinctions between the three had almost totally broken down and you had the Sentry acting and speaking like the Void and the Void crying and freaking out after his wife was killed.

As for the thread WM Thor probably does a ot worse than normal Thor. Theres no real evidence that WM increases Thors actual strength let alone increases it 10 times. Rage agrees with this btw.

I actually wouldnt have too much of a problem with Thor defeating Sentry/Void but hes not going to do it by smacking him in the face, which of course is what WM Thor would undoubtedly do. He needs to use Mjolnir cleverly and some kind of energy drain might actually work. So he needs to have his head screwed on properly here as going batshit crazy is just going to work against him.

Originally posted by wildernesss
considering bob had to will himself not to regenerate back to life, thor didn't beat anyone. bob/sentry allowed/demanded that thor "beat him". he wanted to be destroyed. please read the bendis interview regarding it.

If you feel Thor can't kill him, there's always the dimension dump.

Base Thor defeated Void/Sentry; Thor in Warriors Madness (are we talking "True Warriors Madness" here btw?) definitely kills Void/Sentry here...

Sure, Void can come back, but if Thor kills him 1st, Thor gets the win...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Base Thor defeated Void/Sentry; Thor in Warriors Madness (are we talking "True Warriors Madness" here btw?) definitely kills Void/Sentry here...

Sure, Void can come back, but if Thor kills him 1st, Thor gets the win...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor couldn't even really hurt him until he wanted to be defeated. Also Thor wasn't alone and had the avengers aid and an amp from Loki as well. Context.

exactly. without the norn stones amp that lightning hammer strike would not have destroyed the void. the street level heroes were hurting void with the norn stones amp. imagine how magnified thor's hammer power was made by that same amp.....and it didn't even destroy void upon thor's first amped attack on void. thor loses a majority outside of this kind of supplementation from a magical source.

also, check out the first few pages of siege #4. void pierces thor with a infini-tendril through his torso. next thing that is said is that they're getting a "second chance". could it be that thor (and the rest) were defeated & it was only the norn stones that gave them that second chance?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't since they aren't dead long enough just like a bfr it's all timing. If you can bfr them without them getting back in a reasonable amount of time it's a bfr and if you destroy their body before they can come back in a reasonable amount of time it's a win if not no.

Thanos also was weakened and Void/Bob wanted to die aka forced Thor to do so. When the Void doesn't want to lose he doesn't.

So you dont see it as a win or a BFR? Kinda scary Quanchi... 😕

sheesh your repeating yourself and making me repeat myself. Come up with something new as i already discuaased this with wilderness. and stop just trying to get the last word in. 😬 kinda sad...

Can we please f*cking stop with the "Void doesn't die unless he wants to" crap? Yes, let's apply the gotdamn No Limits Fallacy. That makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Can we please f*cking stop with the "Void doesn't die unless he wants to" crap? Yes, let's apply the gotdamn No Limits Fallacy. That makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by Damborgson
So you dont see it as a win or a BFR? Kinda scary Quanchi... 😕

sheesh your repeating yourself and making me repeat myself. Come up with something new as i already discuaased this with wilderness. and stop just trying to get the last word in. 😬 kinda sad...

I accept your concession.

sentry void 10/10

he's just on another level to guys like thor amped with norn stones

Originally posted by King Kandy
How is it a no-limits fallacy? I think he can die but it would obviously take someone well above Thor level to kill him if he didn't want to. This is supported both by on-panel evidence and interviews...

Its definitely a no-limits fallacy...

Owen warped him inside out and yet he somehow survived; that was BS and very PIS ridden btw...

But back to the no-limits thing, following the reasoning that he cant be killed unless he wants to die, there is no reason to believe that the Living Tribunal or someone weilding the Infinity Guantlet can kill him either...unless he wants to die!!

Since logic dictates that either of the above would be able to kill him wether he wants to die or not, then the statement "he cant be killed unless he wants to die" is false...

And now back to the BS and PIS, outside of nullification (which is BS as well as it violates the Law of Conservation) what more could be done to destroy Void that Owen didnt already do?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Its definitely a no-limits fallacy...

Owen warped him inside out and yet he somehow survived; that was BS and very PIS ridden btw...

But back to the no-limits thing, following the reasoning that he cant be killed unless he wants to die, there is no reason to believe that the Living Tribunal or someone weilding the Infinity Guantlet can kill him either...unless he wants to die!!

Since logic dictates that either of the above would be able to kill him wether he wants to die or not, then the statement "he cant be killed unless he wants to die" is false...

And now back to the BS and PIS, outside of nullification (which is BS as well as it violates the Law of Conservation) what more could be done to destroy Void that Owen didnt already do?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think that beings capable of manipulating souls, could readily deal with Void. You basically are just attacking the most shallow look at the idea possible. No, Void isn't invulnerable to dead. He is like a death god so it makes sense, that he would have great resistance to death (much like Odin can kill Hela, but Thor is unable to). Beings w/ status above death gods, can override this.

Great...so you agree that Thor would destroy Void with Soul Suck!

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since if you can reform in time you aren't really dead as Thanos is immune to death as stated on panel.

I accept your concession.

Lmao. Sometimes I forget im not dealing with a rational person here. Drax killed him. He just cant stay dead and was reformed. Thor killed the void. Had the void returned it would have still been a forum win for Thor.

you wish. 😉