Please keep this in mind as they try to demonise organic food

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why do you think there are live enzymes in plants, why?

According to your source Howell it's because all living things need a supply of magical life chemicals in order to maintain their mystic aura.

If we go look at real since its because plants use them to make more efficient use of the nutrients they take in, just like humans do. They are a catalyst, simply they allow a reaction to occur more quickly or with less energy input.

We can't use plant enzymes. Go look at a cutaway of the human body. See those organs in there? Yeah, those exist primarily to isolate different kind of enzymes in conditions where they actually work. There's no plant living in your intestinal tract to make use of planet enzymes.

We can't "run out" of enzymes like Howeel thinks. Our bodies produce them (were do you think they come from in the first place?) and they aren't consumed in reactions (that's what makes them catalysts).

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Go eat some raw meat

Go die of e-coli . . .

Originally posted by inimalist
pub med isn't entirely flattering of aspartame

No, not flatting but it's not like drinking a coke once in a while is going to kill you.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Everyone gets pay offs for sabataging studies, you know. It's all about money. Can't even trust the medical or scientific studies anymore it seems.

I take it that you've now run out of even purely made up "science".

You can't take now can you? lol You told me to go eat e-coli....how horrible, you're going to hell, the imaginary place now.

After you die of colon caner and hear disease, I'll visit with a carrot. lolol

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
More is known about aspartame than anything else you could possibly put into your body with the possible exception of water. It's not a matter of how long it's been around for, it's a matter of how much people have done actual studies of it. Because of the hysteria around it there have been ridiculous numbers of studies.

As for Russell Blaylock his work is almost entirely self published (ie no one has gone through a checked that there aren't massive errors in it) and rejected by everyone else that knows anything about the subject. He's also a fan of Ludwig von Mises so we know that facts don't mean anything to him.

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
But still, how can we absolutely be sure of its long-term effects?

besides that, you are depleting you own bodies ability to create its own enzymes. It's as simple as can be.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, not flatting but it's not like drinking a coke once in a while is going to kill you.

actually, one of my biggest pet peeves is when the servers at coffee places try to inform me about how bad aspartame is in my coffee.

considering I'm a diabetic and all... 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
actually, one of my biggest pet peeves is when the servers at coffee places try to inform me about how bad aspartame is in my coffee.

considering I'm a diabetic and all... 🙂

You're not thinking about the colon cancer!

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
But still, how can we absolutely be sure of its long-term effects?

You can't be "absolutely sure" of anything but you can be sure enough to bet your life on it. IIRC they test by using massive doses on small animals. Or look at it this way, everything you eat could be slowly killing you but aspartame is the only one with mountains of evidence showing that it isn't. Its the same safety standards as the rest of your food, times a thousand.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're not thinking about the colon cancer!

no, I'm most certainly not

Originally posted by Deja~vu
http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/newsletter/newsletter0011.html

ENZYME FACTS:

All fresh and raw foods have naturally-occurring enzymes.

Cooking food can destroy up to 85 percent of the original nutrients, and it destroys 100 percent of the enzymes in that food.

If you eat food with NO enzymes in it, your body must produce ALL the enzymes required to digest that food.

If you continually eat the same foods every day, your body becomes depleted in the enzymes required to digest that particular food. This creates "allergy" to that food.

Our bodies are not designed with the ability to create enough enzymes to process (digest) a diet consisting of mostly cooked foods.

Undigested foods create toxins in our body, lowering our pH balance to an acidic state.

Undigestable foods (due to lack of enzymes) are the largest contributing factor to asthmatic conditions.

Many hormonal functions (and hormonal balances) are affected by your body's pH balance. Lack of the specific digestive enzymes necessary to process your "chosen" diet can throw your hormones "out-of-whack".

By eating foods with their enzymes intact (fresh and raw) and by supplementing cooked foods with enzyme capsules, we can help slow abnormal and pathological aging processes.

Enzymes are destroyed by heating to as low as 118ºF. When we continually cook our foods, we deprive our bodies of the enzymes in the food which provide digestion. This shortfall is made up by the pancreas which has limited ability to produce enzymes as well as to perform the other functions, such as providing insulin and playing a major role in the operation of our immune system. Our bodies can accommodate an occasional cooked food, but when we continually destroy enzymes by cooking, the pancreas will double in size in an attempt to keep up with the demand and then it simply quits from exhaustion.

When this happens, the body, in trying to do the best it can with what it has, opens the pores of the gut and passes incompletely digested food into the blood stream. Two important things occur as a result. The body builds imperfect cells from imperfectly digested food, and the body doesn’t recognize the large particles as food, but as invading foreign particles, and raises antibodies to fight them. The body actually fights the food that we eat. This fight can result in many physical symptoms such as irregular heart beat, ringing in the ears, itchy skin, irritability, and on and on. Every system in our body can be effected.

Not the best link on emzymes, but I did it as a quicky..lol But you can get the idea there.

I told you it was a quicky link. I was in a hurry.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I told you it was a quicky link. I was in a hurry.

Sure will 🙂

Another quicky from the Mayo Clinic states:

Elevated liver enzymes may indicate inflammation or damage to cells in the liver. Inflamed or injured liver cells leak higher than normal amounts of certain chemicals, including liver enzymes, into the bloodstream, which can result in elevated liver enzymes on blood tests.

The specific elevated liver enzymes most commonly found are:

Alanine transaminase (ALT)
Aspartate transaminase (AST)
Elevated liver enzymes may be discovered during routine blood testing. In most cases, liver enzyme levels are only mildly and temporarily elevated. Most of the time, elevated liver enzymes don't signal a chronic, serious liver problem.

off to bed, will look more tomorrow. But this mentions Aspartate

What does that have to do with needing enzymes in your diet?

Originally posted by inimalist
actually, one of my biggest pet peeves is when the servers at coffee places try to inform me about how bad aspartame is in my coffee.

considering I'm a diabetic and all... 🙂

Man, take a sugar-chill pill and get over it!!!

Originally posted by King Kandy
What does that have to do with needing enzymes in your diet?

Has nothing to do with it. lol

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're not thinking about the colon cancer!

You can't be "absolutely sure" of anything but you can be sure enough to bet your life on it. IIRC they test by using massive doses on small animals. Or look at it this way, everything you eat could be slowly killing you but aspartame is the only one with mountains of evidence showing that it isn't. Its the same safety standards as the rest of your food, times a thousand.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Man, take a sugar-chill pill and get over it!!!

an aspartame chill-pill maybe

More on Enzymes

Dr. Day is an internationally acclaimed orthopedic trauma surgeon and best selling author who was for 15 years on the faculty of the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine as Associate Professor and Vice Chairman of the Department of Orthopedics. She was also Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital and is recognized world-wide as an AIDS expert. In addition, as Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital, one of the premier trauma hospitals in the country, she ran the equivalent of a M.A.S.H. unit for many years. For the past 20-25 years, she has been invited to lecture to doctors at numerous University medical schools including Vanderbilt, Baylor, Cincinnati, Tufts, South Carolina, Iowa, USC, Minnesota and countless medical societies throughout the U.S. including the Massachusetts Medical Society, as well as other medical organizations around the world, including the Royal Society of Medicine in London

There are many books written on the subject that you just need more raw food in your diet or else. I can find other links, but for now and since I've read many of her books myself and she is well established in the Medical community, I'll start with her.

Most doctors aren't trained much in prevention, but a lackeys for the pharmaceutical companies because that's where the money is. How could they make money if we all stayed well?

http://www.drday.com/tumor.htm#rumors 🙂

She is a Christian so I hope that doesn't bother anybody.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/dr_day/testimonials.htm

Originally posted by Deja~vu
She is a Christian so I hope that doesn't bother anybody.

Actually, that offends me greatly.