Thanos w/HOTU vs God Swamp Thing

So, Thanos w/ God's power will lose to someone who was just "almost" on god's level?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There fixed it for you; we all know that Classic Beyonder was the true omnipotent being in the Marvel Universe...

Classic Beyonder was stated on panel to be 1 million times more powerful than everything in Marvel combined and that includes the HotU (the HotU hadnt be discovered yet, but it was still present nonetheless)!!!!

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was hotu a universal or multiversal threat?

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
was hotu a universal or multiversal threat?

hmm, i thought it was only universal. hence hotu not hotm 😛

Heart of the Universe was just a nickname Thanos gave it. Its previous holders called it Heart of the Infinite. Both were just arbitrary names given to it to reflect it is the origin of all things.

oh ok, then i guess it just comes down to feats.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
oh ok, then i guess it just comes down to feats.

Thanos with HotI rape stomps Swamp Thing in feats. So Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
hmm, i thought it was only universal. hence hotu not hotm 😛

Sometimes Universes or Alternate Universes are viewed as "Dimensions" as stated here.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73437/1743728-dimensionsuniverses_super.jpg

As a result, the Multiverse ends up being referred to as Universe.Thanos w/ the HOTU was able to defeat The Living Tribunal who was Multiversal himself and second to TOAA.

Well Classic Beyonder was a million times more powerful than everyone Thanos beat with the HotU combined...

And the LT was scared to death of him...

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well Classic Beyonder was a million times more powerful than everyone Thanos beat with the HotU combined...

And the LT was scared to death of him...

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Basically, what you are saying is the equivalent of "Mastermind is omnipotent" because he looked that way for the first couple pages before his powers were revealed to be illusions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Beyonder weakened himself when killing death Thanos was never even given puause by anything in creation which opposed him.

Thanos was all powerful/supreme.

This is along the lines of "oh phoenix Rachel Grey totally made the Beyonder a jobber in their X-men crossover"

get it thru your head. beyonder got retconned. hes not as powerful as you think he is. end of story.

Originally posted by SasuOna
When has Thanos killed the multiversal concept of death like that? never

This is along the lines of "oh phoenix Rachel Grey totally made the Beyonder a jobber in their X-men crossover"

No, not really. What does that have to do w/ retcons? My point is you can't just select a character w/ a fake power, and claim that it's real just because you want to ignore the stuff showing it isn't. lol by this logic, any illusionist character > HOTU? Since they can appear to do anything.

Originally posted by SasuOna
When has Thanos killed the multiversal concept of death like that? never

This is along the lines of "oh phoenix Rachel Grey totally made the Beyonder a jobber in their X-men crossover"

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually LT was just playing along to help his development...

Basically, what you are saying is the equivalent of "Mastermind is omnipotent" because he looked that way for the first couple pages before his powers were revealed to be illusions.

And all the abstracts "playing along" to aid in the Beyonders cognitive development was PIS at its finest; that stunk of BS and you know this...

So all the abstracts feigned to be in fear and allowed themselves to be punked and beaten up repeatedly just to help some fledgling cosmic cube...

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Sure, thats how it was written in the retcon, but it was also an insanely stupid justification as well...

The fact remains that "Classic Beyonder" (and during that issue of the Fantastic Four were he was retconned he wasnt Classic Beyonder anymore as the PIS was in full effect) was vastly more powerful that anything else that has appeared in Marvel...

Again, 1 million times more powerful than everything else in the MU combined (which would include the IG, all Cosmic Cubes present, AND the HotU) with the sole exception being Classic Owen...read em and weep!

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So basically, you are just going to ignore the direct proof you are wrong just because you don't like it... so, i suppose i won't be continuing this conversation much longer.

No ignoring anything; I accept that the retcon occured, but I also contend that that was PIS and stupidity piled up and rotting...

Are you really willing to argue that the idea behind the retcon, that all the cosmics were playing alone and allowed everything to happen, wasnt stupid!? That was stupid beyond stupid...and you know it.

And the way Classic Beyonder was written, being stated on panel to be a million times more powerful than everything in the MU (except Classic Owen) combined...he was far, far, far, far more powerful than the HotU.

Logic for the win!

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Yes, obviously that retcon is true. We have seen him appear countless times since then and it has always been with the power levels the FF comics established. We don't decide to ignore continuity and cut off characters histories wherever we like; you need to accept that things change.

I accept it changed...BUT it was BS as the reasoning of the retcon was illogical and stupid.

Do you not agree with this?

Now I do believe that the Beyonder should never have been written as he was in the 1st place; writting an omnipotent being with no weaknesses whatsoever was a very bad idea...

But that said, he was written to be ridiculously powerful; that cant be taken back, and even crap writting and stupid justifications cant erase the original writting...

Unless you are willing to accept the Abstracts/Cosmics allowing themselves to humilated, beaten up repeatedly, and feigning fear as something logical...