L vs Johan Liebert

L from "Death Note" vs Johan Liebert from "Monster". What it says on the tin. In a battle of wits, who can outwit the other?

I've never read Monster, but from what I understand, doesn't L operate on a far grander scale than Johan?

Johan would break L. No mind games like Light used. He'd just kill L, L's entire school, Watari, the investigation team, the inverstigation teams families and then walk away without being seen or recorded.

Probably in drag. Cuz thats just how he fvcking rolls! crackers

He knows where L is?

Or who L is.

Light figured both of those out. Johan is probably as smart as him and he has alot more resources.

No. L flat out told Light he was L. There is no reason for him to do so here I think.

Light had supernatural friends to help him out. 😐

Light to date still does not know L's name.

And L SHOWED himself to Light.

L was able to deduce Light had a 95% chance of being Kira, when Kira had the advantage of being able to kill people across the planet by writing their name in a ****ing notebook.

Actually Light probably knows his name. He did have Rems Death Note which had L's name written in it. He seems the type to look and see what it really was.

But yeah, Light never really did beat L so much as he tricked Rem into dying and killing L.

Light had supernatural friends to help him out. no expression

Light to date still does not know L's name.

And L SHOWED himself to Light.

L was able to deduce Light had a 95% chance of being Kira, when Kira had the advantage of being able to kill people across the planet by writing their name in a ****ing notebook.

And Johun has criminal empires begging him to lead them. He has resources to match Lights.

You don't need to know someones name to kill them.

True, but he also showed himself to the investigation team. Johan could get to L through something similar if (and its likely he'd need to) L is forced to collaborate with the police again.

Yeah, but L can't walk up and talk to Johan whenever he wants like he could with Light. Johan is practically a ghost, killing everyone who see's his face except for his sister and Tenma. He doesn't even have a real name. Light made serious errors first with revealling himself to be in Japan (which Johan isn't reckless enough to fall for) and then with killing the detectives and whatsherface. Johan is far more experienced and collected than Light was, and won't make these mistakes imo.

Btw, what kind of 'battle of wits' is this? Ae they trying to find and kill each other, playing chess, etc?

If its just a matter of wits then I'd still say Johan wins. He manipulated an entire ophanage into massacreing each other when he was 10. Pretty witty.

Actually Light probably knows his name. He did have Rems Death Note which had L's name written in it. He seems the type to look and see what it really was.

But yeah, Light never really did beat L so much as he tricked Rem into dying and killing L.

Thats legit in my book. He manipulated Rem into doing his dirty work for him.

Also, there are 3 Ls. Which one we using? 😛

I assume Lawliet.

Near is not L, and Light was faking it.

Gonna disagree on the first part of the second sentence.

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/death-note-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+12+Finale&page=43

Then again, I like Near more the L or Light. So...stuff.

Near was a lame L ripoff. A pale imitation. uhuh

He actually always seemed more impressive than L to me. Mostly because of how quickly he discovered Mikami. But Near himself doesn't consider himself better or equal to L so I don't either.

Near needed Mello's help to trap Light, and even then, it was thanks to a f***-up between Mikami, and a very overconfident Light.
Near isn't superior to Light. He's inferior.

If we're going to factor in Near getting indirect help,(which if Matsuda's theory in the end was correct, Near may have used Mello) then let's think about all those lucky incidents of Lights shall we? 🙂

Mikami was a variable the moment Light lost contact with him so his down fall was choosing someone who was too smart. And Near played on Light's overconfidence, which L did too. 😮

Meh, I don't remember Death Note well enough to continue this.

But be warned, I shalt read the manga again, and come back to pwn j00.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, I don't remember Death Note well enough to continue this.

But be warned, I shalt read the manga again, and come back to pwn j00.

I recently reread it so I'm already prepared. Bwahahaha!

And the best way to sum up Light's luck: Complete and unconditional love from the most submissive women in history.

Though one can conceivably make the argument that Sidoh was the true cause of Light's death. Thought I can actually make the counter argument that if it weren't for Light's cosmic good luck, Sidoh would not have been the cause of it.

Near needed Mello to win. He himself confirms this. He's not as good as Light.