God Cable Vs Tangent Superman

Originally posted by Naija boy
Combat feats are certainly important, but the context surrounding such feats also needs to be noted. Hence not just that he beat so and so character but how he beat so and so character and if it would be applicable in the particular versus match. Cuz getting caught up in A beat B, C and D, without seeing if the way that the characters were defeated is even applicable to a particular match leads to alot of silly arguments being made.

you know me well enough to know i'd never argue for just combat feats without context. but i've asked and received zero proof that cable was truly 'weakened' in that 'non-fight' with ss. i'm not saying they were both going all out, or that the fight may have been different under different circumstances. what i AM saying though is that ss was never ever in any danger at all from cable imo. and i thought it was clear based on the depictions that ss was well above cable. moreover, we've no idea how much help cable was lending to the recreation of the city.

did cable have great feats? undeniably. but it becomes difficult to transfer those feats into vs matches, and so where possible we look for combat feats and it seems the combat feats of some (superman in this case) are being denigrated in favor of cable's NON-COMBAT feats which while applicable in defining his scope, may NOT be directly applicable against an opponent--especially someone like superman who has some great combat feats.

s'all i'm sayin. 🙂

That's good and all, but I don't see how that's above TS, who took on entire teams and Ultra Humanite.

Originally posted by "Id"
For starters since putting together the floating City Providence. He held Providence afloat, and ionized the planets atmosphere with his telepathic wave. He did so non stop, even in his sleep, and through out his fight with the Surfer.

hey id, i keep hearing about this 'global ionization'. have you got a scan of the feat handy?

Cable could take on entire teams of Tangent Supes.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cable could take on entire teams of Tangent Supes.

maybe, but can he take on one.....? 😖hifty:

Not only can he take him on...he, he can take him on.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not only can he take him on...he, he can take him on.

just so's you know--everytime you post something, i read your post then i read just the last panel in your sig..... 😖hifty:

it cracks me up everytime. like right now. i just read it again. 😄

Lmao, rage hasn't commented on it yet.

I crushed his spirit.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lmao, rage hasn't commented on it yet.

I crushed his spirit.

😂

in his defence though, really, what the hell IS there to say? sometimes you just tip your king and shake hands.

😂

I don't remember what I said, but I commented on it in the Off Topic Discussion thread a while back.

I'm curious how the sig was born. Was it me pointing out that Thor > Hercules?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

I don't remember what I said, but I commented on it in the Off Topic Discussion thread a while back.

I'm curious how the sig was born. Was it me pointing out that Thor > Hercules?

apparently that spirit needs further crushing.....

Clearly.

I'd come up with my own sig but it'd be in bad taste.

Originally posted by leonidas
you know me well enough to know i'd never argue for just combat feats without context. but i've asked and received zero proof that cable was truly 'weakened' in that 'non-fight' with ss. i'm not saying they were both going all out, or that the fight may have been different under different circumstances. what i AM saying though is that ss was never ever in any danger at all from cable imo. and i thought it was clear based on the depictions that ss was well above cable. moreover, we've no idea how much help cable was lending to the recreation of the city.

did cable have great feats? undeniably. but it becomes difficult to transfer those feats into vs matches, and so where possible we look for combat feats and it seems the combat feats of some (superman in this case) are being denigrated in favor of cable's NON-COMBAT feats which while applicable in defining his scope, may NOT be directly applicable against an opponent--especially someone like superman who has some great combat feats.

s'all i'm sayin. 🙂

Very understandable and i agree on virtually all accounts., In regards to Cable's fight vs SS, i definitely do think SS was portrayed as superior even though both were not going all out. However i dont think that should be too much of a knock against cable given SS's powerset is one that counters his strongest attributes (telepathy and telekinesis) very well.

The comparison with Tangent superman i think is quite a tricky one though because while Tangent superman doesnt have the widescale tp and molecular tk feats of Cable, he does have good cases of him using these abilities against formidable opponents in battle. Moreover since these characters have similar powersets, it becomes a straight up question of who is more powerful in their area of specialization (psychic abilities, tk, tp etc). And in the determination of who is a more powerful or skilled psychic which in your opinion holds more weight for instance, restraining a Green lantern with tk vs levitating a structure the size of a small country, while simultaneously remotely detonating 247 missiles and funnelling the energy out of earths atmosphere?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clearly.

I'd come up with my own sig but it'd be in bad taste.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
u mad

Originally posted by Naija boy
And in the determination of who is a more powerful or skilled psychic which in your opinion holds more weight for instance, restraining a Green lantern with tk vs levitating a structure the size of a small country, while simultaneously remotely detonating 247 missiles and funnelling the energy out of earths atmosphere?

i'll qualify my position and say, in general, because it's a vs forum, i'd personally put more stock in the combat feat--especially when you look further into what a gl is capable of. sometimes, a more generalized (though much wider scale) display of power is not the BEST way to judge. inanimate objects don't fight back afterall..... i say i qualified my opinion because it depends of course on the level of the combatants and the relative power of the one who was beaten. a gl is uber. was it a really powerful gl though? as a general rule, i think those types of displays (wide scale, non-battle feats) def have an important place as evidence--but when you are talking about vs matches, combat feats are still the MOST important single piece of evidence imo. i'll finish by saying that, like anything though, it depends on HOW impressive the non-combat feat was. 😂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
u mad

Originally posted by Mindset
😂

home video?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll qualify my position and say, in general, because it's a vs forum, i'd personally put more stock in the combat feat--especially when you look further into what a gl is capable of. sometimes, a more generalized (though much wider scale) display of power is not the BEST way to judge. inanimate objects don't fight back afterall..... i say i qualified my opinion because it depends of course on the level of the combatants and the relative power of the one who was beaten. a gl is uber. was it a really powerful gl though? as a general rule, i think those types of displays (wide scale, non-battle feats) def have an important place as evidence--but when you are talking about vs matches, combat feats are still the MOST important single piece of evidence imo. i'll finish by saying that, like anything though, it depends on HOW impressive the non-combat feat was. 😂

👆 Fair position. I do agree that in general combat feats are more important when taken in their proper context in relation to vs matches. I think it should be noted however that because of the way comics are written, these things should be looked at on a case by case basis because as u mentioed before, there is he issue of how impressive the non combat feat was, as well as other issues like the character having a powerset suited to defeat another character as well as the issue of characters fighting extremely stupidly (and i mean stupid even by their own standards).