Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1317226426.jpgLOL Jgggg
If only she'd stay dead, I might agree with the naming.
Originally posted by Bentley
@Srank: I understand that Logan questions the timing of the choice Cyclops makes, as far as I can understand, that's the most controversial thing about this arc. I don't really see any ideological difference between both sides that actually makes sense.
* ditto, Scott already unified the ideological differences between Xavier and Magneto... Scott managed to create a safe haven for all mutants in Utopia (Magneto's), and he also managed to still somehow create peaceful talks between humans and mutants (Xavier's)... the problem is, where would Logan's ideology stand, to create a justifiable schism between the X-men? because if this is about Jean Grey, it absolutely sucks...
Originally posted by peejayd
* ditto, Scott already unified the ideological differences between Xavier and Magneto... Scott managed to create a safe haven for all mutants in Utopia (Magneto's), and he also managed to still somehow create peaceful talks between humans and mutants (Xavier's)... the problem is, where would Logan's ideology stand, to create a justifiable schism between the X-men? because if this is about Jean Grey, it absolutely sucks...
Originally posted by Bentley
@Srank: I understand that Logan questions the timing of the choice Cyclops makes, as far as I can understand, that's the most controversial thing about this arc. I don't really see any ideological difference between both sides that actually makes sense.
That's because it doesn't.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It not about Jean, it going to be about how they view the children. Thats were the divide is occuring.
* so Logan's team is the one who "loves" children, while Scott's don't? it does not create a great ideological difference as Xavier's and Magneto's... what's the purpose of having a separate squad of X-men? the concept of Schism is good, but they will fail if the reason is not good enough...
Originally posted by peejayd
* so Logan's team is the one who "loves" children, while Scott's don't? it does not create a great ideological difference as Xavier's and Magneto's... what's the purpose of having a separate squad of X-men? the concept of Schism is good, but they will fail if the reason is not good enough...
It most likely going to be ideological difference between how they see the x-men as primarily in re-guard to the children. Wolverine I believe will (symbolize a more Proffessor X belief) that it a school vs Scott believe that there a singular nation against all else (magneto). That the children are soldiers, as are any other x-men.
The second major difference will be in reguard to how they deal with problems. Scott believes all mutants are responsable for paving the way for the next generations. While Wolverine believes select few should do what needs to be done for the betterment of the rest.
Now I am not saying these are perfect reasons, nor are each character side is going to be as simplistic as I described, that is however what I belief in a nut shall will be the difference between the two ideology.
That's how I undertood it at first, but to me it just seems that Logan's side would sound too paternalistic and naive nor it to be just that. Scott is right, as long as being a mutant means something, the civies need to step up their game and become responsible for the future. Then, maybe much later, when the mutants are not threatened by your apocalypse-of-the-week attack, they could be protected and help future generations in a peaceful manner.
Again, Logan's side sounds silly considering there are about 200 mutants ermm
I'm glade my biggest problem with this story was acknowledged, it shows that the writer / editorial staff are at least aware of it, but it wasn't really addressed. Cyclops said it, "You're making us all weaker at a time we can't afford it." Even if Wolverine was right, splitting up the X-Men doesn't make any sense! If the X-Men were divided in any of the previous major X-Events in the last couple of years, they would have been wiped out.
* problem is, how can they justify Logan's actions by splitting up the team... Cyclops already put his guard down, but Logan can't with his, i don't know, ego? pride? I quote:
Cyclops: "What do you want? You want elections? Let me and you both make our cases and let everyone vote for who they want. I'll do it."
Cyclops: "If you'll just get off your damn high horse and be reasonable."
Wolverine: "I don't want your job, Scott. I don't want any part of what you're doing here. Not anymore."
Wolverine: "I'm leaving."
* what in the blue hell was that, Logan?
I understand every motivation for Logan to disagree Scott, but the choice is very drastic, I have to assume that everyone going with him is having the same mixed feelings and just weren't given enough time to express it. I would perfectly understand if Wolverine just left because he's disenchanted with Utopia, but taking people with him and dividing the X-men seems a bit, off?
I understand that the point of the whole plot was to divide the X-men, but it's hard to fit that in continuity without demonizing one of the two teams. Its good that they parted more or less in good terms.
Also, Scott was way more reasonable at the end that I would've expected.
Originally posted by peejayd
* problem is, how can they justify Logan's actions by splitting up the team... Cyclops already put his guard down, but Logan can't with his, i don't know, ego? pride? I quote:[b]Cyclops
: "What do you want? You want elections? Let me and you both make our cases and let everyone vote for who they want. I'll do it."Cyclops: "If you'll just get off your damn high horse and be reasonable."
Wolverine: "I don't want your job, Scott. I don't want any part of what you're doing here. Not anymore."
Wolverine: "I'm leaving."
* what in the blue hell was that, Logan? [/B]
I has nothing to do with ego or pride, it far far from that. It because of were Wolverine is in his life at that moment. In the past year his life has drastically been alter.
What do you mean what was that? He said he done with utopia and the path scot has choosen. If you read his current solo run, you understand why.
Originally posted by Bentley
I understand every motivation for Logan to disagree Scott, but the choice is very drastic, I have to assume that everyone going with him is having the same mixed feelings and just weren't given enough time to express it. I would perfectly understand if Wolverine just left because he's disenchanted with Utopia, but taking people with him and dividing the X-men seems a bit, off?I understand that the point of the whole plot was to divide the X-men, but it's hard to fit that in continuity without demonizing one of the two teams. Its good that they parted more or less in good terms.
Also, Scott was way more reasonable at the end that I would've expected.
