Originally posted by carver9So all characters need to beat Supes is be near a BP or Exxon?
Honestly... I don't see the Spiderman and Firelord fight as PIS. It was clearly explained why Spiderman beat Firelord.The word PIS needs to completely leave the forum. If you got yow a** whipped, you just got that a** whipped.
Originally posted by carver9And what do you define as plot? Plot can rely on everything someone forgetting half of his powerset, characters just going down (durability loss), characters geeting tagged (speed loss) or characters being unable to hurt someone (strength loss) even plot devices etc..
Naah, I said "plot" and you added "induce stupidity". Two different things.
Originally posted by Harbinger
I think his basic point was that the idea of Peter being able to drain Firelord by being too fast is PIS. That, and having the strength necessary to drop him given that FL's a herald of Big G.
And this is the issue.
People tending to ALWAYS get space flight mixed up with combat speed. Thor, Vulcan, Rogue, Despero, etc, all have flown through space at light but their combat speed ain't sh**. Stop mixing the two up.
He only had the strength neccessar because he depleted FL of his power.
Originally posted by carver9
Read above post.
Yes, Harbinger agrees it's PIS. I read it.
Seriously, though, Carv, c'mon.
Spider-Man is able to deplete Firelord's energy when prolonged battles with Thor, who was actually using Mjolnir to sap the Power Cosmic from him, didn't drain him? That's PIS. Firelord has reacted to things faster than Spider-Man, but Spidey himself is too damn quick for him? That's PIS.
I can't believe you're actually trying to argue that Spidey beating Firelord was a legitimate victory.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is PIS.
Why is it PIS when Firelord powers, everything about him revolves around his power cosmic? Then that's not including the fact that Spiderman isn't just blitzing him with peak human punches but it 10 to 20 tons of force and he was doing it consistently.
Same thing happened to masterson. Those types of punches takes its toll.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is it PIS when Firelord powers, everything about him revolves around his power cosmic? Then that's not including the fact that Spiderman isn't just blitzing him with peak human punches but it 10 to 20 tons of force and he was doing it consistently.Same thing happened to masterson. Those types of punches takes its toll.
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Firelord has taken blows from Mjolnir and Thor's fists and has stood his ground. In multiple comics, no less.
Screw 10-20 tons of force. Seriously. One of Thor's holding back blows is exponentially greater than a blitz of pissed off Spidey punches.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, Harbinger agrees it's PIS. I read it.Seriously, though, Carv, c'mon.
Spider-Man is able to deplete Firelord's energy when prolonged battles with Thor, who was actually using Mjolnir to sap the Power Cosmic from him, didn't drain him? That's PIS. Firelord has reacted to things faster than Spider-Man, but Spidey himself is too damn quick for him? That's PIS.
I can't believe you're actually trying to argue that Spidey beating Firelord was a legitimate victory.
Didn't Firelord receive some type of upgrade before facing Thor?
Who has Firelord tagged that is faster than Spidey "combat wise"?
Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Firelord receive some type of upgrade before facing Thor?Who has Firelord tagged that is faster than Spidey "combat wise"?
He had no upgrade. Hell, if anything, he was "demoted" when Galactus took on the Destroyer as a Herald and left Firelord on Earth.
Pretty sure being able to see shooting stars across the galaxy and perceive subtle changes in the universe is a better feat than tagging Spider-Man. Even so, Firelord could easily omni-blast with his powers. He doesn't have to point and shoot at Spidey to hit him.