Prison in Norway

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Yes, I do think our incarceration rate would be lower if prisons were more like Norway, though by how much I don 't know. Our current prison system is run by gangs which nurture a criminal culture. And no, I'm not going to "leave it at that".

hell why not treat prisoners even MORE better than that?
lets give them a air purifiers, puppies, tempur-pedic mattresses, & shopping privileges.

yeah that'll show those damn american criminals.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Yes, I do think our incarceration rate would be lower if prisons were more like Norway, though by how much I don 't know. Our current prison system is run by gangs which nurture a criminal culture. And no, I'm not going to "leave it at that".

47 years definitely afforded you wisdom and insight. 👆

You're correct. Norway's prison system is run on a system of rehabilitation, not punishment and isolation. As such, they have a much much higher rate of re-integration and no-repeat offenders.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
this wouldn't lower at all. I don't know what america you live in but if a criminal isnt remotely afraid be incarcerated in a shitty prison. why would they not be incarcerated in nice one? what reason would a person who is afraid of prison have to not return?

hell why not treat prisoners even MORE better than that?
lets give them a air purifiers, puppies, tempur-pedic mattresses, & shopping privileges.

yeah that'll show those damn american criminals.

Maybe you should do some research as to why the "land of the free" has the highest incarceration on earth. Far higher than both China and India both of which have about 4 times our population and India having far less space in which those people live. Maybe you should research our prison gang culture. Like Dadudemon said, compare our rehabilitation rate and repeat offendor rates to other countries and then determine if what we are doing in our criminal justice system is really good for us.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Maybe you should do some research as to why the "land of the free" has the highest incarceration on earth. Far higher than both China and India both of which have about 4 times our population and India having far less space in which those people live. Maybe you should research our prison gang culture. Like Dadudemon said, compare our rehabilitation rate and repeat offendor rates to other countries and then determine if what we are doing in our criminal justice system is really good for us.

you cant just go & blame the whole thing on the prison system itself.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
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you cant just go & blame the whole thing on the prison system itself. [/B]

I'm not, but it has a lot to do with it

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
this wouldn't lower at all. I don't know what america you live in but if a criminal isnt remotely afraid be incarcerated in a shitty prison. why would they not be incarcerated in nice one? what reason would a person who is afraid of prison have to not return?

hell why not treat prisoners even MORE better than that?
lets give them a air purifiers, puppies, tempur-pedic mattresses, & shopping privileges.

yeah that'll show those damn american criminals.

As far as your point goes, I would have no respect for a government that treats me horribly. Maybe if the government showed me some respect, I would respect it in turn. You do reap what you sow.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If that's the case, then the Norwegian crime rate should be higher than the US one. Obviously the flaws in this logic are demonstrated by its lack of correlation to real life.

As far as your point goes, I would have no respect for a government that treats me horribly. Maybe if the government showed me some respect, I would respect it in turn. You do reap what you sow.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
this wouldn't lower at all. I don't know what america you live in but if a criminal isnt remotely afraid be incarcerated in a shitty prison. why would they not be incarcerated in nice one? what reason would a person who is afraid of prison have to not return?

hell why not treat prisoners even MORE better than that?
lets give them a air purifiers, puppies, tempur-pedic mattresses, & shopping privileges.

yeah that'll show those damn american criminals.

You seem to think the purpose of prison is to punish or scare people. It's much more useful to have a prison system that takes actions which reduce crime.

If puppies and nice mattresses caused people to not be criminals when they got out that's what we should do. Certainly its better than placing them in an environment of systematic abuse where the only bonds they have a chance of form are with other, usually worse, criminals.

Unrelated question for the forum. Doesn't a for profit prison have a conflict of interest? As I understand it the more criminals they have the more money they make, so they would be motivated to keep crime rates (or at least imprisonment rates) high.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
why? Norway & America are far different places. no?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unrelated question for the forum. Doesn't a for profit prison have a conflict of interest? As I understand it the more criminals they have the more money they make, so they would be motivated to keep crime rates (or at least imprisonment rates) high.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Unrelated question for the forum. Doesn't a for profit prison have a conflict of interest? As I understand it the more criminals they have the more money they make, so they would be motivated to keep crime rates (or at least imprisonment rates) high.

I agree

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unrelated question for the forum. Doesn't a for profit prison have a conflict of interest? As I understand it the more criminals they have the more money they make, so they would be motivated to keep crime rates (or at least imprisonment rates) high.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unrelated question for the forum. Doesn't a for profit prison have a conflict of interest? As I understand it the more criminals they have the more money they make, so they would be motivated to keep crime rates (or at least imprisonment rates) high.

If the operation was incentivized towards rehabilitation (in other words, the incentives are tied to them not repeating offenses, say, in the first 2 years after release), then, yeah, that system could work really well.

If they fail to rehab the prisoner, they have to pay back half of what the state/federal governments paid them to house the prisoner.

That would make it impossible to create a prison system that would work, under the current system. I think it's possible that we could have a "test" prison in the US and we randomly select inmates and place them there. We would model the system after Norway's most successful prison and then see how it works. The only harm in that would be failing and we have everything to gain from trying to copy that system.

One must wonder if they'll send the Norway shooter to one of these deluxe prisons.

I don't see rehabilitation as a feasible outcome in his case, sad as that is.

This can't be the first time Norway has had a criminal that would be impossible to rehabilitate. I imagine they have some way of accommodating them, though, I still don't think the purpose of prison should be to punish him, merely to keep the rest of society safe from them.

Norway would likely try to rehabilitate that man.

In my opinion, he should be given £40 of weed and sent to Iran for a week.

...without the locals not knowing who he is, but them being able to speak English (I think the shooter can speak English too since he listened to Pat Condell).

I see the prisoner policed prison ripping him apart.

Originally posted by lord xyz
In my opinion, he should be given £40 of weed

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I work hard and nobody hands me drugs

Originally posted by inimalist
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I work hard and nobody hands me drugs

lol, no

also, marijuana is the worst thing to give people with psychosis. It actually has very little use as a mental health medication, as it increases symptoms of depression, anxiety, psychosis, schizophrenia, etc.