The Chaos King VS Molecule Man

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Lord Feron Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
Owen Reece (as "evil Molecule Man" from FF-Annual #27 is ridiculously powerful.

He was far beyond a Cube being, ... and at one point,
Owen basically told Beyonder he was "infinities" above him.

And their battle not only shook all reality,
but it also warped reality across realities on a "Trans-Multiversal scale"

Which means [b]beyond Multiversal ...

Anyhow this is how it all transpired.

This is incredible:

At the end of the issue,
"the Time Variance Authority" who operate literally on an Omniversal level,
are dealing with the madness Molecule Man and Beyonder's battle did
to possibly billions or more Timelines.

He's mentioning ridiculously huge numbers before entering the office,
and then aside from that the other Timelines defined by paper work
shows the scale of affect Beyonder and Molecule had across All Creation. [/B]

About time masters!

Lord Feron Senior Member

Also 3rd one of the 1st group of scans proves that the collateral damage of the fight between them created Superman the man he is today...

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Also 3rd one of the 1st group of scans proves that the collateral damage of the fight between them created Superman the man he is today...

OMG! I just now noticed that. LOL. 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually "trans-multiversal" means "across the multiverse". Like a trans-Atlantic flight is across the Atlantic.

It could also mean "beyond" aka beyond the Atlantic, beyond the multiverse :
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?lextype=3&search=trans

So both of you are right. IMHO it was both "across the multiverse and beyond"

rotiart Stan Lee Stole my name

Superman... Lol. I never noticed before either

Astner The Ghost Who Walks
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually "trans-multiversal" means "across the multiverse". Like a trans-Atlantic flight is across the Atlantic.
Mindset Senior Member

Transsexual.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually "trans-multiversal" means "across the multiverse". Like a trans-Atlantic flight is across the Atlantic.
Considering there was nothing indicative of anything beyond the multiverse being affected, I'll go with this interpretation. 👆

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Also 3rd one of the 1st group of scans proves that the collateral damage of the fight between them created Superman the man he is today...
Yeah I pointed that out a few years ago... Hope you weren't being serious about Owen/Beyonder literally creating Superman, though.

Harbinger Firestorm

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't go by low showings but high ones (especially if they are more current).
lol

"I completely ignore low showings, but only go by high ones, thus distorting a character's average feats."

Excellent.

753 Senior Member

post retcon molecule man at the height of his power wins.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by Harbinger
lol

"I completely ignore low showings, but only go by high ones, thus distorting a character's average feats."

Excellent.

That's how he rolls. 😎

rotiart Stan Lee Stole my name
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's how he rolls. 😎

More like how he trolls... 

JakeTheBank Return of the King

ZING!

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Astner


👆

To support the fact that it was beyond the Multiverse,
we also have the writer including the Omniverse in the story
via narration & via cameo appearances by the Time Variance Authority.

"in all the myriad MultiverseS"

In that issue,
the Living Tribunal also called Owen Reece one of the most powerful being's in All Creation.

So, imagine his unlimited side (real Molecule Man)

That aside,

The Time Variance Authority
(who's headquarters is as long as the Omniverse itself) yes, literally ...
and operate on an Omniversal scale,
were depicted by the artist/writer as having their work cut out for them due to what Molecule Man/Beyonder did.

+++

Also ...

This particular detail imo,
is a perspective from the writer concerning how FAR the warping of reality went.

That even Superman was created from it. 😂

TheTyrant New member

Chaos King wins.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Mr Master

"in all the myriad MultiverseS"


The intent is unambiguous I don't see how anyone could construct a coherent argument against it without somehow discrediting the canonicity of the comic itself.

Though I have to admit that I find it odd that beings supposedly weaker to cube beings are capable of channeling such power when cube beings themselves are supposedly beneath celestials.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Astner
The intent is unambiguous I don't see how anyone could construct a coherent argument against it without somehow discrediting the canonicity of the comic itself.

Though I have to admit that I find it odd that beings supposedly weaker to cube beings are capable of channeling such power when cube beings themselves are supposedly beneath celestials.

This was reinforced later during a Spider-man "behind the scenes" Secret Wars tie in. Even post retcon, the Beyonder aspect of Kosmos and the "evil" Molecule Man aspect of Owen are multiversal level beings. Check Mr. Master's Beyonder Respect Thread -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=412978&pagenumber=6. Scroll down to Galan007's post.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Harbinger
lol

"I completely ignore low showings, but only go by high ones, thus distorting a character's average feats."

Excellent.

Exactly. That's how everyone (or nearly everyone) here does it. They just don't come out and say it.
You get arguments of Odin busting galaxies and Thor tanking Celestial beams and Hulk doing XYZ. Everyone here who argues their favorite character is guilty of this. IMO, it is valid since the rules say Full capacity, characters fight to the best of their ability AS SHOWN before. The only thing that matters is if the feat is PIS (like Spiderman vs. Firelord). If a character performs at a level several magnitudes above their average then we can consider PIS if the character didn't perform on that level multiple times (IMO at least 3) with a minimum of X appearances.

A weaker version of Hulk destroying an asteroid bigger than the Earth is PIS since he has no feats nearly in that vicinity and by the fact that Hulk's strength is based off anger and rage. He couldn't have possibly got more angry than any Hulk in existence at that single moment.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by h1a8
A weaker version of Hulk destroying an asteroid bigger than the Earth is PIS since he has no feats nearly in that vicinity and by the fact that Hulk's strength is based off anger and rage. He couldn't have possibly got more angry than any Hulk in existence at that single moment.
the asteroid was uninhabited and threatening earth, you can't really replicate that kind of context more than once.