Originally posted by srankmissingnin
WWH held Wolverine in one hand and landed half a dozen haymakers directly to his face and all he accomplished was momentarily making Wolverine punch drunk.In the past Wolverine's said that the Hulk liquifies all his organs when he punches him, he just heals before the next hit. You might as well be crying "I don't understand how durability makes Superman invulnerable? You are trying to tell me if someone who breaks planets punches Superman he won't be killed?" Yes, because that's how his powers work. Wolverine regenerates and heals from damage. A character hits Wolverine, his brain smacks off the side of his skull and shorts out his nervous system and he heals. He can regrow his heart in three panels without losing consciousness. He can regenerate 90% of his body mass in seconds. He heals so fast it might as well not have happened. Unless a person goes into a coma, a concussion will usually only result in lack of consciousness for seconds (if that), fallowed by some confusion and disorientation. Wolverine heals literally millions of times faster than a standard human, and his healing factor doesn't have any of the limitations a human does, for example he can repair and replace damaged brain cells and heal damage to his central nervous system. The short-out of the nervous system that results in a ko is something that Wolverine's healing factor would compensate for in a fraction of a fraction of a second. Pretending like this is some new character development just highlights that you lake knowledge of the character, outside of a few isolated examples, this is something Wolverine has been doing consistently for close to four decades.
first of all he is no superman and no where near his level.
second my point is not that he can not regrow his organs my point is when his brain is flopping around like a ping pong ball how does it heal/reattach while it's banging around? that would be like having a bouncing ball on a string that just got thrown in a small room and reattaching itself while it's still moving....it would just re-rip itself off. so next time before you go acting smarter then people try comprehending the question.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i get what your saying but i know a lot of people that don't anymore. I use to read his stand alone titles and what not but i quit because having a healing factor doesn't mean your a bad ass that can't be put down. He is respectable and a great character in his own right but i do not see how someone like him should be able to stand up to blows from people like the hulk with out a ko. his bones are adamantium sure and he can heal but all that means is when he gets hit he's not gonna break a bone and he'll get up again later. he still feels pain and adimantium doesn't absorb force otherwise he wouldn't budge when he got hit. so i don't understand how someone can take a hit from someone that "busts planets" and not even be incapacitated......no not just a single blast a powerful single blast. mountain crushing blast.
After a certain threshold, all the damage is the same. Once his organs are liquified, it doesn't really make much difference how strong the attack is. He'd heal from "Mountain crushing" liquification at the same rate as any other liquification.
no i get it completely. Maybe i wasn't speaking clearly......i understand his powers fully, i get what he's all about. its how he does it that makes me wonder. earlier i was told "not to mix reality science with comics" (not verbatim) but little things like "everything has an equal and opposite reaction" (granted with certain exceptions) but like i said before i don't understand how it's not a KO if his brain is knocking around in that unbreakable noggin of his. If it's still attached and it's bouncing all over the place then it's just re-damaging itself as it heals. if it came unattached and is bouncing around then as it re attaches it's going to keep ripping off again and again at that kind of velocity. Or if it just rips off and smashes then what happens? i mean if he continues growing new brains eventually he wont have any room in there for a re formed brain....he'll be leaking brain out all of the holes in his head. Or since he can re form from such little dna left does another wolverine start to form in his head?
EDIT: sorry if ive been a bother. im just trying to understand
also i stopped liking him once he started healing back from crazy stuff like a nuke. i understand he has a great healing factor but when you start healing from stuff like one cell you start making the line really blurry. like if his hand is cut off it can heal because he can so why does another wolverine not form and other questions.
there is no understanding. a great deal about him must fall under the category of suspension of disbelief. like many others. logan does push the bounds at times though. i personally do not like the character at all for the very reasons you mention. i had a period of time where i did like him (that original miller series was incredible and i loved logan for a few years) but he became too hard to take. it seemed to me that as his popularity grew, so too did his ability to survive almost anything. meh, whatever. you can't try and understand, because it's a comicbook. he does what he does and has done so for a long time now. you just accept it and read the character, or don't and don't. i don't even open the avengers anymore (or very very rarely) because i find him so insufferable and his feats at times so hard to stomach. oh well--lots of other characters out there that i DO like, so i don't worry too much about him.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
first of all he is no superman and no where near his level.
second my point is not that he can not regrow his organs my point is when his brain is flopping around like a ping pong ball how does it heal/reattach while it's banging around? that would be like having a bouncing ball on a string that just got thrown in a small room and reattaching itself while it's still moving....it would just re-rip itself off. so next time before you go acting smarter then people try comprehending the question.
Due to his healing factor Wolverine's damage soak is right up there with the big guns, it just comes from an alternative source to durability, which apparently is incredibly confusing for some people. Wolverine took more hits from WWH than anyone who wasn't Sentry. Herc was three shotted, and his durability is right up there with the best of the best. What would happen if his brain was "banging around"? It would heal. If it re-ripped itself because it was still bouncing? It would heal again. Wolverine's healing factor is a passive and innate ability. It's always on and working, he doesn't wait until the damage stops to heal, he is just constantly healing. If his brain smashed of the side of his skull, his healing factor would heal the concussion, and if immediately after it smashed of his skull again, it would heal that damage too, and if in between those two events his brain stem was severed, it would heal that damage.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Due to his healing factor Wolverine's damage soak is right up there with the big guns, it just comes from an alternative source to durability, which apparently is incredibly confusing for some people. Wolverine took more hits from WWH than anyone who wasn't Sentry. Herc was three shotted, and his durability is right up there with the best of the best. What would happen if his brain was "banging around"? It would heal. If it re-ripped itself because it was still bouncing? It would heal again. Wolverine's healing factor is a passive and innate ability. It's always on and working, he doesn't wait until the damage stops to heal, he is just constantly healing. If his brain smashed of the side of his skull, his healing factor would heal the concussion, and if immediately after it smashed of his skull again, it would heal that damage too, and if in between those two events his brain stem was severed, it would heal that damage.
ok those were what i was looking for. but one thing remains would the high velocity "bouncing" around or continuous ripping off of the brain stem, even though it's re growing wont "Ko" him? On that note if not then what in your opinion will ko him?
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
ok those were what i was looking for. but one thing remains would the high velocity "bouncing" around or continuous ripping off of the brain stem, even though it's re growing wont "Ko" him? On that note if not then what in your opinion will ko him?
A character needs to just keep hammering him, and overload his healing factor. Despite the recent W:TBTI arc where it was said that Wolverine healing factor will heal faster and faster from an certain injury the more it is used, I like to think that there is diminishing returns when thinking about Wolverine's healing factor. That he will heal slower and slower after each attack until the damage is enough to put him down for the count.