Cyclops VS Wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A character needs to just keep hammering him, and overload his healing factor. Despite the recent W:TBTI arc where it was said that Wolverine healing factor will heal faster and faster from an certain injury the more it is used, I like to think that there is diminishing returns when thinking about Wolverine's healing factor. That he will heal slower and slower after each attack until the damage is enough to put him down for the count.

ok then i gotcha!

now im feeling in a very spider-man mood.
and for the topic what i said before....

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
ok then i gotcha!

now im feeling in a very spider-man mood.
and for the topic what i said before....

hehe

Nice new sig/avi.

Thanks! I use to love spider-man and i have well over 300 spidy's in my collection. Mostly oldies though. i decided to try and get more into him again recently so i bought amazing spiderman 663. it wasn't bad but i thought it best if i went back to issue 600 and started there. so i have been in a spidy kick for a while.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A character needs to just keep hammering him, and overload his healing factor.

* and Cyke just needs to keep blasting him continuously with ease... 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
the point is more that wolverine has access not only to the X-men line up, but that of the avengers and scores of other people he has had "cameo" appearances in the books of.

Logan might legitimately be owed a "favor" from Thor or Dr.Strange, whereas Cyc is hardly going to know these guys well enough to approach them

or Logan just asks cap, because that is apparently all you need

* given the crossover events: Bloodties, Onslaught, Civil War, Messiah Complex, Utopia and recently Heroic Age, I think most of the Marvel characters know or is familiar of a certain Scott Summers who apparently is the current leader/spokesperson of all mutantkind… 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We didn't see his face, on the next panel we do he's trying to get up with Madrox's help.

Originally posted by peejayd
* given the crossover events: Bloodties, Onslaught, Civil War, Messiah Complex, Utopia and recently Heroic Age, I think most of the Marvel characters know or is familiar of a certain Scott Summers who apparently is the current leader/spokesperson of all mutantkind… 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
Logan might legitimately be owed a "favor" from Thor or Dr.Strange, whereas Cyc is hardly going to know these guys well enough to approach them

Cyclops knows Reed Richards.

And the Phoenix... sneer

* Tony Stark, Nick Fury and Steve Rogers also know him... and i think they are influential people as well...

Lol so Logan's winning by getting more Marvel characters on side, characters which have nothing to do with the X-men (apart from being Marvel) or mutants.

I think stick the team building to mutants guys.

Im sure Cyclops and Xavier should have enough connections through the Marvel world too, but that just gets too complicated and prob a bit off topic as well.

1. Fight. Depends on how far they are apart.
-Close. Logan.
-6 or more mtrs. Scott.
-Far apart. Enough to run and take cover Logan can always enter the ground for a sneak takedown. If no cover Scott.

2.Tactics- Scott.
Instincts- Dunno, most probably Logan.
Leadership- Is one of Scott's powers.

3.Team Building- With the average 4-6 man team- Scott.

Cyclops in all three, there's no contest..

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
no i get it completely. Maybe i wasn't speaking clearly......i understand his powers fully, i get what he's all about. its how he does it that makes me wonder. earlier i was told "not to mix reality science with comics" (not verbatim) but little things like "everything has an equal and opposite reaction" (granted with certain exceptions) but like i said before i don't understand how it's not a KO if his brain is knocking around in that unbreakable noggin of his. If it's still attached and it's bouncing all over the place then it's just re-damaging itself as it heals. if it came unattached and is bouncing around then as it re attaches it's going to keep ripping off again and again at that kind of velocity. Or if it just rips off and smashes then what happens? i mean if he continues growing new brains eventually he wont have any room in there for a re formed brain....he'll be leaking brain out all of the holes in his head. Or since he can re form from such little dna left does another wolverine start to form in his head?

EDIT: sorry if ive been a bother. im just trying to understand

also i stopped liking him once he started healing back from crazy stuff like a nuke. i understand he has a great healing factor but when you start healing from stuff like one cell you start making the line really blurry. like if his hand is cut off it can heal because he can so why does another wolverine not form and other questions.

You're not a bother. I don't even have a problem with people disliking him.

I think I am one of the few here with a neutral sentiment on Wolverine. On the whole, I don't particularly like or dislike him.

Imo, scott often comes off as the more intellectual of the two; that is the general vibe & tone their interactions & appearances seem to generate and suggest. it's massively misleading though since beneath logan's surface is genius and experience scott doesn't have a hope in hell of matching. logan's brain power (while in the daner room) was described by forge as being the equivalent of performing a gold medalist gymnastics routine while simultaneously beating four computer chess programs in his mind. he speaks half a dozen languages & has some knowledge of even more. he's an expert with computers, martial arts, flying helicopters & other craft, and reads classic novels like there is no tommorrow as evidenced in "the brotherhood" arc by rucka. so ya, scott has nothing on him except coming off as a bit of a condescending twerp at times. In actuality, logan is far more intelligent overall, but thinks more "from the heart" most of the time rather than endlessly ponificate or play the role of pseudo intellectual. logan seems to be getting very little love here, so i think cyclop's is due for some criticism.

logan would win any close combat fight with scott with ease. long range fight would only delay cyclop's inevitable loss. logan has better instincts. logan has more military experience considering he's been involved in several major wars. and finally, logan has the closer connection with jean grey phoenix (as shown VERY clearly in the last wolverine arc).

Originally posted by wildernesss
Imo, scott often comes off as the more intellectual of the two; that is the general vibe & tone their interactions & appearances seem to generate and suggest. it's massively misleading though since beneath logan's surface is genius and experience scott doesn't have a hope in hell of matching. logan's brain power (while in the daner room) was described by forge as being the equivalent of performing a gold medalist gymnastics routine while simultaneously beating four computer chess programs in his mind. he speaks half a dozen languages & has some knowledge of even more. he's an expert with computers, martial arts, flying helicopters & other craft, and reads classic novels like there is no tommorrow as evidenced in "the brotherhood" arc by rucka. so ya, scott has nothing on him except coming off as a bit of a condescending twerp at times. In actuality, logan is far more intelligent overall, but thinks more "from the heart" most of the time rather than endlessly ponificate or play the role of pseudo intellectual. logan seems to be getting very little love here, so i think cyclop's is due for some criticism.

logan would win any close combat fight with scott with ease. long range fight would only delay cyclop's inevitable loss. logan has better instincts. logan has more military experience considering he's been involved in several major wars. and finally, logan has the closer connection with jean grey phoenix (as shown VERY clearly in the last wolverine arc).

Or, Scott is just smarter and Wolverine knows lot's of stuff because he's old 😎

Originally posted by wildernesss
Cyclops VS Wolverine

1. who wins a fight to KO or incapacitation with prep & no prep?

2. who is the better tactician, leader, & strategist overall? which of the two has better instincts?

3. given time to build their own team, which of the two builds the better overall team. i.e. which team would likely defeat the other?

1. Could go either way really, but with prep I favor logan, without it, cyclops

2. cyke is the better tactical analyst, logan has the better warfare instincts

3. we'll soon know the answer to this one, but I would frankly say logan. Im glad the schism is coming, logan's fulfilling of leadership roles has been delayed long enough in comics

Originally posted by Bentley
Or, Scott is just smarter and Wolverine knows lot's of stuff because he's old 😎

Originally posted by wildernesss
Imo, scott often comes off as the more intellectual of the two; that is the general vibe & tone their interactions & appearances seem to generate and suggest. it's massively misleading though since beneath logan's surface is genius and experience scott doesn't have a hope in hell of matching. logan's brain power (while in the daner room) was described by forge as being the equivalent of performing a gold medalist gymnastics routine while simultaneously beating four computer chess programs in his mind. he speaks half a dozen languages & has some knowledge of even more. he's an expert with computers, martial arts, flying helicopters & other craft, and reads classic novels like there is no tommorrow as evidenced in "the brotherhood" arc by rucka. so ya, scott has nothing on him except coming off as a bit of a condescending twerp at times. In actuality, logan is far more intelligent overall, but thinks more "from the heart" most of the time rather than endlessly ponificate or play the role of pseudo intellectual. logan seems to be getting very little love here, so i think cyclop's is due for some criticism.

logan would win any close combat fight with scott with ease. long range fight would only delay cyclop's inevitable loss. logan has better instincts. logan has more military experience considering he's been involved in several major wars. and finally, logan has the closer connection with jean grey phoenix (as shown VERY clearly in the last wolverine arc).

Given the thousands of times Wolverine has been surprised, shot or otherwise hit in fights, I'd say that statement is a great example of hyperbole.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Given the thousands of times Wolverine has been surprised, shot or otherwise hit in fights, I'd say that statement is a great example of hyperbole.

👆

Originally posted by 753
I can see his point, cyke is cold and rational, while logan thinks and acts from his gut, but nothing justifies saying cyke is more intelligent

No, they aren't probably that different intelligence-wise.

Originally posted by wildernesss
and finally, logan has the closer connection with jean grey phoenix (as shown VERY clearly in the last wolverine arc).

* heck, no... 😛