Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummmm okay... How is that a durability feat... Lucifer and Michael were also there point blank and the big bang... but that isn't a durability feat.
So surviving a blast that restarted the Multiverse at point blank is not a durability feat?
Dude, what the **** have you been smoking, i ****ing want some. 😮💨
Question.... Again.. Does Michael and Lucifer being point blank at the start of the multiversal big bang = a durability feat? The thing is... when you're dealing with tools of a higher power wanting to have something executed you survive because that is what you're suppose to do. The Prescence was using M and L to create the multiverse.. they were his instruments to get the job he wanted done. He isn't going to let them die on the one hand.. or on the other hand... it's more of a symbolic thing to being of that power. They aren't per se surviving a blast that started the multiverse... there were the tools of THE highest being to create the multiverse. So them being there point blank doesn't equal them surviving some exponential blast. It's a creation story and nothing more. It's not meant to be any type of durability feat.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Question.... Again.. Does Michael and Lucifer being point blank at the start of the multiversal big bang = a durability feat? The thing is... when you're dealing with tools of a higher power wanting to have something executed you survive because that is what you're suppose to do. The Prescence was using M and L to create the multiverse.. they were his instruments to get the job he wanted done. He isn't going to let them die on the one hand.. or on the other hand... it's more of a symbolic thing to being of that power. They aren't per se surviving a blast that started the multiverse... there were the tools of THE highest being to create the multiverse. So them being there point blank doesn't equal them surviving some exponential blast. It's a creation story and nothing more. It's not meant to be any type of durability feat.
That's all conjecture, and not supported by the comics.
Besides, it would be easier for Presence to simply make them that durable, then to give them an exotic immunity to big bangs.
Show me ANY sign of pain or damage or ANYTHING that suggested they were tanking an explosion exponentionally greater than anything else in comics ever. There was ZERO sign of anything like that. Yet, when we've seen Micheal and Lucifer in other comics... we've seen damage.. we've seen them show signs of damage from much less. So, how do you explain that?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you know what ACTUALLY beat the AM? Honestly? Much Much less than Thanos with the IG. Yet, Thanos with the IG can't beat the AM... hmm makes sense to me. Seriously though, you aren't understanding one thing.. First, as stated on panel and through feats.. the IG is AT LEAST Multi-universal, at the least. Second, even if you want to consider it just universal... it makes one God of THAT universe. So even if you believe the AM is multiversal and could do whatever he wants to other universes... as soon as he comes to THE universe Thanos has dominion over... he gets wrecked.
Yes I do, so? And yes Thanos can't, live with it. He doesn't have to come to the Universe directly in order to destroy it. And Thanos still couldn't take on LT, so it's possible that a being is still more powerful then the IG. And yes AM at the dawn of creation was that powerful.
Originally posted by McNasty996
Are we assuming and going against virtually every representation in comics that the gems do exactly as they were stated to work and that Thanos has full control of the gems or are we using their representation in comics. If its the latter he doesn't get as far as some are saying.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
I'm assuming that "completely focused" means that he's using the gems to the full potential established by the writers, not based on feats accomplished by previous holders. So anything Drax, Warlock, Thor, Reed Richards, Black Bolt or any other previous gem holder did is irrellevant. How would Thanos, based on his own previous showings, perform were he to utilize the full potential of whatever gem(s) he were to use, individually or to power another gem up, rather than when they were all united in the IG?
The thing is, even Nebula managed to beat all the abstracts with the full gauntlet. It's inarguable that Thanos is a better user, but that also proves that the gems are much more powerful when combined in the gauntlet, then they are individually.
Since Thanos only has 3 gems out of the set, who can say if they're on par with a completed, or nearly completed, IG?
Originally posted by cdtm
The thing is, even Nebula managed to beat all the abstracts with the full gauntlet. It's inarguable that Thanos is a better user, but that also proves that the gems are much more powerful when combined in the gauntlet, then they are individually.Since Thanos only has 3 gems out of the set, who can say if they're on par with a completed, or nearly completed, IG?
Originally posted by Brockalizer
The other gems have been written about individually pretty extensively. Based on that how do YOU think that they would perform individually or in tandem?
I think each gem has a specific function, and putting the gems together on the gauntlet doesn't change their function... Combining them into a single relic only amps their power level.
For example, when he was facing Chronos, he accessed the Time Gem to counter his time manipulation. And when he attacked the Celestials, it was portrayed as the exact same attack as when Adam Warlock claimed he was using the Power Gem on Strange.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Show me ANY sign of pain or damage or ANYTHING that suggested they were tanking an explosion exponentionally greater than anything else in comics ever. There was ZERO sign of anything like that. Yet, when we've seen Micheal and Lucifer in other comics... we've seen damage.. we've seen them show signs of damage from much less. So, how do you explain that?
Still waiting for people who say he TANKED the big bang and it was a durability feat to explain this.
Originally posted by Diesldude
You can give thanos the infinity Gauntlet and he will still lose to AM. He stops at 2.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Seriously? You do realize that the group of heroes that took down the AM wouldn't have had a prayer against Thanos with the IG? He beat himself, he couldn't have been beaten otherwise. That wouldn't happen in this situation, he'd be too focused on finally winning his prize.
So pray tell who were the heroes that battle Thanos when he had the Gems in that story arc.
At least the Heroes that battled AM consisted of Pre-Crisis Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Super Boy Prime, the most powerful magic users of said time.
Form what i heard, Black Kat was one of the heroes that were chosen to battle against Thanos. Hell, it was said that Captain America battle against Thanos in H2h, and he survived.
Also stop with the bullshit of Thanos beating himself. It was specifically pointed out, that TOOA made Thanos his *****.
Where as AM took a creation blast form Spectre, and still survived. And creation was a multiversal blast.