inimalist's Tournament - Based Gods vs Mutant X

Originally posted by leonidas
ok then,i guess let's have at it. 🙂

i'll let pg deal with the kabuto stuff, so, moving on....

so, i've a whole bunch of issues with this first bit 🙂

1. professor is SENTIENT. as such, i'd question whether it is even legal to have him. in a real sense, it's very much like having another character.

2. regardless of that, some scans showing warlock's ability to interface with tech would help show the scope of this ability.

3. why would having access to the professor grant access to dominus? dominus is CERTAINLY not considered "standard equipment", nor was it originally stored in providence. so..... how would warlock be able to access it at all? as well, it needs to be attached to a massive server in order to work:

On Providence, Cable and Deadpool are sparring, while Cable explains the Dominus Objective again to Deadpool. He tries to make clear that the hard-drive when attached to a big server will be able to funnel all kinds of information to a single person. Deadpool responds with a kick and gives some examples of information that the Dominus Objective can obtain: porn files, diplomatic files and bank accounts. Cable wonders what was so difficult to get about that. Deadpool, in return, wonders what was so hard to explain about that.

so, what's it attached to? 😕

4. much of the same can be said of the cone of silence. also not standard gear.

you basically said warlock interfaces with professor (who may not be legal) and then just...... gets all this stuff? 😕

proof and further explanation would be nice.

You can just think of it as adding/summoning a member during prep.. Perfectly legal..

2.)

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That should sum it up; Interfacing with an A.I and acquiring tech.

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His even able to interfaced with biology and access its mutagenic ingram..

3.)

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The Dominus Objective is succesfully harness within Providence which was absorb and integrated within Warlock during prep.

4.)

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Similar with the Cone of Silence; the schematic of it can be found within Providence and was downloaded during my Prep.

The download of Prof. is within rule and is very much legal..

okay, here again i have some questions:

1. has warlock ever joined with more than one person before? you say he melds with cable, and i get that, but then you say he makes a suit of armor and jamie clones them all. welllll..... has jamie ever cloned himself wearing armor? maybe, but i'd like to see it all the same. if not, and you're saying that warlock simply amalgamates with cable then the cable/warlock combo amalgamates with jamie, i'd love to see scans of warlock being able to amalgamate with multiple (heh no pun intended) persons. so, prove he can do it FIRST, then i'll respond a little further.

1.)

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First he melds with Forge..

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A little later he melds with both Sam and Rahne..

So yeah! Melding with multiple individual is not problematic.

prove you can even GET the schematics for the cos....

"The Dominus Objective grants tecnopathic abilities.."

nah. it grants access to INFORMATION only. black box (who is the one who wanted it never had true 'technopathic' abilities--he could just find almost any piece of info instantly. he referred to himself as a god, such was his information access. i should know--i used him in a tourney. smile

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Yes it does.. As Capt. America first hand exp. it..

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Blackbox did use technopathy as shown on the above scan. He was the one to bring Cable to the infonet, its where they are in the above scan..

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This should pretty much cover the acquisition of my tech..

Prof.
Dominus Objective.
Cone of Silence.

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Your scan does not really show/prove much of the effectiveness of Mag's cloaking as the character involved are not using they're abilities as in BB/Lock Jaw's supposed hightened senses unlike the Amalgam's before they attack..

Amalgam's attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective.. 😄

There is more than a few ways to detect your team, one is via tp taken from your summons since they have no protection of psi shielding.. And even if in someway the Amalgam's is unable to detect in time and was attack, the gravmetric forcefield amp with Cable's tk should still hold and then they retaliate.. Your team is outnumbered and outgun ++++ Like i said on my previous post, you have no help at all from your summons. Infact they become mine to control and turn the table's on you via;

Originally posted by psycho gundam

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🙂

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Detected or not, i still get the upper hand..
Gravmetric shield amp with Tk protects from the initial onslaught..
We outnumber you 1000 ++ to 3 therefore outgun..

FTW..

Originally posted by Ambient
1.)

You can just think of it as adding/summoning a member during prep.. Perfectly legal..

ok, fair enough.

ingram..

3.)

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just checking. 🙂

The Dominus Objective is succesfully harness within Providence which was absorb and integrated within Warlock during prep.

4.)

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Similar with the Cone of Silence; the schematic of it can be found within Providence and was downloaded during my Prep.

ok, so the programs are in providence. how did YOU acquire them during prep? warlock couldn't even interface with the missle AI's at a distance. he neded direct contact. how did you get to providence, interact with the computers and dl the info when you are in alberta?

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First he melds with Forge..

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A little later he melds with both Sam and Rahne..

So yeah! Melding with multiple individual is not problematic.

👆

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Yes it does.. As Capt. America first hand exp. it..

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Blackbox did use technopathy as shown on the above scan. He was the one to bring Cable to the infonet, its where they are in the above scan..

nah. again. cable placed BOTH in the infonet AFTER black box dl'd info and made his to virus go whacky. he was able to link to black box THROUGH dominus and bring BOTH to the infonet:

Deadpool is surprised; he didn’t think that Cable’s T.O. virus could overwhelm him like that anymore. Cable is surprised as well, not so much by the T.O. virus as by being linked to the Dominus Objective and to Bashur’s powers through it. He mentally transports himself and Bashur back to the Infonet.

bashur never had technopathy, nor did he force cable into the infonet. (these summaries are a little easier than obtaining scans--i USED to have all the books but deleted them. the summaries are from x-men.net and are EXCELLENT and very accurate but i could get scans if a judge really required one. just ask. 🙂 )

This should pretty much cover the acquisition of my tech..

well, i accept the programs are AVAILABLE, but you've done nothing to explain how you interface at such a huge distance, there is no proof the dominus adds extra or (more importantly) remote technopathy, and you never answered what it is connected to--remember it needs TO BE CONNECTED TO A MASSIVE SERVER to function. how do you do that?

also another point about the cos (assuming for a second you COULD obtain it--and you'd have to because as i said it was NOT standard equipment)--what exactly are its feats? how strong was it? it was used to replace cable's tk, and once his powers were back he no longer used it i don't think. that makes me think it wasn't as effective as his own tk abilities. so, any feats we can look at regarding the cone?

Originally posted by Ambient
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Your scan does not really show/prove much of the effectiveness of Mag's cloaking as the character involved are not using they're abilities as in BB/Lock Jaw's supposed hightened senses unlike the Amalgam's before they attack..

lokjaw's senses are UBER, and bb is a major league energy manipulator. if they couldn't detect him with their senses i don't see how you could find us even if comet wasn't help shield. mag's mind powers are uber. of course he's a latent telepath:

http://imageshack.us/f/129/secretwars00513ct8.jpg/

beyond that, he's shown REAL mental power. he can even astral travel:

Originally posted by Moses Morrison
Here's Magneto using his mind to locate Namor (and eventually he finds his consultant and gets him to convince Namor into joining).

factor in the other scans of the amount of effort it takes to get through mag's mental shielding THEN add comet's own class A telepathy to that, and there is no way you'll be finding us. even proteus couldn't penetrate his mind:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus2.jpg

as well, aside from his mental power (augmented by comet), mags can simply JAM your ability and make it even MORE unlikely that you can find us:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

it would also be pretty easy to locate you--the real you, the god version. once we did, we could always resort to this oldy-but-goody:

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very similar now i think about it, to what black did to superman....

a question: if jamie prime is ko'd, do all the dupes disappear? i'd like to see proof, as i think this has been shown to be the case in an xfactor book. if not, i'd love a scan proving that if jamie prime is ko'd the dupes REMAIN.

Amalgam's attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective.. 😄

There is more than a few ways to detect your team, one is via tp taken from your summons since they have no protection of psi shielding.. And even if in someway the Amalgam's is unable to detect in time and was attack, the gravmetric forcefield amp with Cable's tk should still hold and then they retaliate.. Your team is outnumbered and outgun ++++ Like i said on my previous post, you have no help at all from your summons. Infact they become mine to control and turn the table's on you via;

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Detected or not, i still get the upper hand..
Gravmetric shield amp with Tk protects from the initial onslaught..
We outnumber you 1000 ++ to 3 therefore outgun..

FTW.. [/B]

detected or not.....? 😕

we can take out large numbers of you in a BIG hurry--pg's scans show we can huge vast aoe strikes, mags can unleash several of these:

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we can wipe out your numbers advantage quite quickly. and just because you have numbers really doesn't mean much--might as well be a 1000 people with water guns against a tank when you're trying to penetrate mags's forcefields......

we have uber aoe attacks, you can't find us, you can't get into our minds and your offensive capabilities are utterly negated. we will be able to identify jamie prime easily and without proof to the contrary, if we take him out, we might take out all the dupes at once.

warlock is very vulnerable to mag's powers. cable is EXTREMELY vulnerable and jamie offers nothing save numbers. i also asked for proof jamie could dupe while wearing army and never got it, so i wonder if he could even dupe the warlock-armor he's been given....

in all we have you SEVERELY trumped both offensively and defensively. our plan is utterly simple and straight forward and you still have some things to prove as relates to your own plan.

so, yeah. vote based gods. nwoot

Originally posted by Ambient
Detected or not, i still get the upper hand..
Gravmetric shield amp with Tk protects from the initial onslaught..
We outnumber you 1000 ++ to 3 therefore outgun..

FTW..

anyway, now tireless magneto stomps the whole lot of them, he can even use them as a "meat" shield to stop your own attacks.

zombie rejuvenation:

next....

since i have two of these guys:

they get to do this:

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next....

nagato 🙂

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Originally posted by leonidas
so, how exactly DO you find us anyway? mags willpower and shields+comet's mindshield will make us undetectable both visually and telepathically. xavier himself needed jean's help to penetrate mags' mind:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2509/tbreakthroughhispsychicdefense.jpg

and in this case, he has comet actively shielding them. you also have our own smaller army to deal with. even if you DO somehow find us, how do you penetrate our shield when even DARK phoenix has failed to do so?

http://imageshack.us/f/371/magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg/

we, on the other hand, are a nightmare for you. even though they are amalgamated, cable is still cable. by that i mean he still has a lot of metal throughout his body. that's bad:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4847/xforce2539fd7.jpg

VERY bad....

you might argue that warlock's form wil help protect him. unfortunately, THAT isn't much solace for you....

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that was a weakened mags easily one-shotting warlock. and while you may say warlock was also weak, mags was also holding back and cared a lot for warlock. and weakened or not, warlock runs on bio-electric energy and of course he has a life force. really, all mag's needs to do is this:

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if he can do that to PHOENIX, your amalgam--which is ALREADY supremely vulnerable to magneto's powers--has no chance.

so, to recap--not sure you can get your hands on all the things you said you could.

magneto has already one-shotted warlock and utterly destroyed cable. we've seen him resist tk attacks from PHOENIX and steal her life force. to attack his mind on its own XAVIER needed to psi link with jean, and now he has comet backing him up. and we've not even touched on comet yet, or kabuto!

you may have a 1000, but mags can decimate each one of them, and you've no proof at all that you can harm us with any of your offensive abilities. 🙂

1. Bio scan from Warlock - I'm still not buying that Mags cloaking could hide him from it.. The scan doesn't really prove much as both BB's and Lock Jaw's hightend senses are not automatic in nature, unlike say Cosmic Awareness for example.. They missed Mags because they where not using they're vaunted senses to look for him, I'm beating that the outcome would be far differ if they were..

2. TP scan through the summons using the original amalgam long range TP via God Cable version psi level - Since your summons are not shielded telepathically a long range tp scan would make us capable of reading them therefore your estimated location..

And I'll mention it again, your summons are not telepathically protected therefore can be mind control by God Cable's power (Original Amalgam) they become mine to command and unleashed.

God Cable's tp level + 1000 normal cable level tp >>>>> Proof X and Jean, not to mention all 1001 of my Characters possess technopathic ability that none of your characters can block..

Individually Warlock, Cable and Multipleman would fall under the power of Mags or Capt. Comet but pooled they are protected; Warlocks control over his molecular structure and Cable TK should protect them from your attack, adding Grav-metric shield wouldn't even get a scratch.. Also if you notice, Warlock wasn't even seriously harm in that scan.. This is only one dupes we have 999 + the summon I've acquired from your team..

Again your team are outnumbered and outgunned.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

Originally posted by leonidas
ok, so the programs are in providence. how did YOU acquire them during prep?

nah. again. cable placed BOTH in the infonet AFTER black box dl'd info and made his to virus go whacky. he was able to link to black box THROUGH dominus and bring BOTH to the infonet:

well, i accept the programs are AVAILABLE, but you've done nothing to explain how you interface at such a huge distance, there is no proof the dominus adds extra or (more importantly) remote technopathy, and you never answered what it is connected to--remember it needs TO BE CONNECTED TO A MASSIVE SERVER to function. how do you do that?

Warlock, a techno-morph interfaced and absorbed D.O and can also act as a massive server..

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Right there Blackbox brought Cable to the infonet and should also prove that Dominus Objective = Technopathic powers

Originally posted by leonidas
factor in the other scans of the amount of effort it takes to get through mag's mental shielding THEN add comet's own class A telepathy to that, and there is no way you'll be finding us. even proteus couldn't penetrate his mind:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus2.jpg

as well, aside from his mental power (augmented by comet), mags can simply JAM your ability and make it even MORE unlikely that you can find us:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

it would also be pretty easy to locate you--the real you, the god version. once we did, we could always resort to this oldy-but-goody:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/phoenix_xorn3.jpg

a question: if jamie prime is ko'd, do all the dupes disappear? i'd like to see proof, as i think this has been shown to be the case in an xfactor book. if not, i'd love a scan proving that if jamie prime is ko'd the dupes REMAIN.

First off the jam your ability was done with Fabian Cortez amping Mags ability fortunately his not in the draft making this a none valid scan..

The rest well really its not going to go that way; The Technarchy race does not follow normal organic biology and those attack wouldn't even go through as it has to pass Grav-metric back by Tk shielding which is applied by all of my amalgam dupes..

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Grav-metric shielding withstanding nuclear explosion..

Answer to the question:

Yes even if the original is unconscious they're dupes would still exist and will only cease to exist if they're either killed or re-absorbed.

Originally posted by leonidas
detected or not.....? 😕

we can take out large numbers of you in a BIG hurry--pg's scans show we can huge vast aoe strikes, mags can unleash several of these:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/excaliburv30903elcarinox5.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/excaliburv3090405elcarinkv1.jpg/

we can wipe out your numbers advantage quite quickly. and just because you have numbers really doesn't mean much--might as well be a 1000 people with water guns against a tank when you're trying to penetrate mags's forcefields......

we have uber aoe attacks, you can't find us, you can't get into our minds and your offensive capabilities are utterly negated. we will be able to identify jamie prime easily and without proof to the contrary, if we take him out, we might take out all the dupes at once.

warlock is very vulnerable to mag's powers. cable is EXTREMELY vulnerable and jamie offers nothing save numbers. i also asked for proof jamie could dupe while wearing army and never got it, so i wonder if he could even dupe the warlock-armor he's been given....

in all we have you SEVERELY trumped both offensively and defensively. our plan is utterly simple and straight forward and you still have some things to prove as relates to your own plan.

so, yeah.

Again no.. Grav-metric that withstood nuclear explosion + Tk shielding protects us from Mags AOE attack and your summon won't be able to pull out those move at me as they would be mind control before they can do it and then turned on you..

Like i've said individually they are but pooled not a chance.. Anything offensive mags can do will be stop by our dual shield and Warlock has complete control over his molecular structure encase there is a slim chance Mags more exotic use of his ability will go through the shielding..

No you don't! Offensively you have yet to prove that you could even scratch or break the grav-metric back by TK shielding however i couldn't say the same for you as you have yet to prove that you have any immunity towards technopathy against 1001 chars.

Like I've said your outgunned and outnumbered

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not at all, you simply have a numbers advantage. your quantity is at least matched by our quality since our summons never tire and will rejuvenate any damage, and that includes magneto and cap'n comet.

anyway, now tireless magneto stomps the whole lot of them, he can even use them as a "meat" shield to stop your own attacks.

zombie rejuvenation:

next....

It takes time to assemble that large of a mindless army, specially some that are quite big and uncontrollable, are a lot slower to move on land which makes it a big disadvantage to your team because that is all thats required For God Cable to mind control them, adding more army to my team to stomp yours..

😄

Originally posted by psycho gundam
[QUOTE=13422167]Originally posted by psycho gundam
[B]Vote Mutant X. nwoot

x 1001. magneto can't ever tire now, nor can he be interupted cause you can't detect him at all. it would take mere moments

also, in the first moments of the fight, your side of the field was dusted with this:

Those scan is without Grav-metric and tk shielding.. Grav-metric alone withstood nuclear blast, those blast don't even compare..

You forgut your guys are mine to command, can mags handle those blast while being techopathicly attack? Think not..

Originally posted by Ambient
Well there is a few ways your chars. could be found;

1. Bio scan from Warlock - I'm still not buying that Mags cloaking could hide him from it.. The scan doesn't really prove much as both BB's and Lock Jaw's hightend senses are not automatic in nature, unlike say Cosmic Awareness for example.. They missed Mags because they where not using they're vaunted senses to look for him, I'm beating that the outcome would be far differ if they were..

a scan showing this ability would help. i don't see how any 'bio-signature' would be available for him to find however, and...... do zombies even HAVE a bio-signature??? you would need to prove that a bio-scan could, in some logical way, penetrate our shields which keep out pretty much EVERYTHING. without it, we're hidden. so.....good luck with that. 🙂

2. TP scan through the summons using the original amalgam long range TP via God Cable version psi level - Since your summons are not shielded telepathically a long range tp scan would make us capable of reading them therefore your estimated location..

even if you could, it's not like we're staying in one spot. 😐 the zombies wouldn't know where we are either.....

And I'll mention it again, your summons are not telepathically protected therefore can be mind control by God Cable's power (Original Amalgam) they become mine to command and unleashed.

i'm curious--what ARE this cable's tp feats? don't forget you are shielded by your own gravity shield and your tk shield as well. can he use his tp through both sets of shields? would this weaken him, lead to some burn out.....? 😖hifty:

also, i'm not sure if mags was amped by cortez in that scan or not, but, doesn't really matter. he could always do this:

http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view&current=MagnetoLongRangeTelepathy.jpg

so, jamming, or inhibiting, both are equally effective and will prevent you not only controlling OUR guys, but it will also repvent you communicating with your OWN team. 🙂

God Cable's tp level + 1000 normal cable level tp >>>>> Proof X and Jean, not to mention all 1001 of my Characters possess technopathic ability that none of your characters can block..

again, i see no proof at all of technopathy. CABLE brought them to the infonet. there is ZERO to suggest your technopathy. and besides--what EXACTLY are you trying to DO with this supposed technopathy?? you keep saying it, but..... you've not even told anyone what you're trying to do with it. how are you going to technopathically 'attack' mags or comet or kabuto?? we don't HAVE tech! sooooo.....?

Providence was my Prep base which means i don't have to travel to Alberta 😛 ..

yeah, my bad. i misunderstood the starting positions that were available. 😮

Warlock, a techno-morph interfaced and absorbed D.O and can also act as a massive server..

hrm. book says it requires a MASSIVE SERVER. i'll leave it to the judges to decide if they feel your guy could do it on his own.

Grav-metric shielding withstanding nuclear explosion..

but, could it withstand a massive, planet-sized, EMP? here is mags creating one:

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg

I mean't it makes no difference wither we detect your team or not, we have solid defense to take on your initial attack by your drafted chars.. The only way this might only happen is if your drafted characters will attack first and leave your summoned party as they would only be a hindrance to your main guys because they're only way to approach us is via on land which takes time and slow enough for God Cable to read and mind control

not with your mind powers inhibited as shown in post above. 🙂

Again no.. Grav-metric that withstood nuclear explosion + Tk shielding protects us from Mags AOE attack and your summon won't be able to pull out those move at me as they would be mind control before they can do it and then turned on you..

the grav shield is just a piece of tech that the EMP would shut down.

Like i've said individually they are but pooled not a chance.. Anything offensive mags can do will be stop by our dual shield and Warlock has complete control over his molecular structure encase there is a slim chance Mags more exotic use of his ability will go through the shielding..

with the grav shield down via emp, it's just your tk shields, and phoenix herself wasn't strong enough to keep mags from draining her lifeforce as i've already shown.

No you don't! Offensively you have yet to prove that you could even scratch or break the grav-metric back by TK shielding however i couldn't say the same for you as you have yet to prove that you have any immunity towards technopathy against 1001 chars.

and you've never said just what the heck this 'technopathic' attack is supposed to do. or shown any evidence that it is even VIABLE. aside from that single scan (that cable's own powers played a hand in) what technopathic feat has dominus EVER ALLOWED?

this scan serves 2 purposes: 1, it shows mag's ability to cast aside psionic attacks, and, 2, it shows that with enough effort, he can actually REVERSE gravity:

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/2884/magreflectspsychicpowerandreve.jpg

he also has fine control over the entire electromagnetic spectrum. all these abilities, + the massive emp=death to your grav shield.

once the grav shields have been negated, your regular tk shields will never hold up to the levels of aoe attacks we have.

we have given some logical methods for getting through your shields. you have done NOTHING to indicate you can even FIND us, let alone get through a shield that is for all intents, invincible. we still have a massive edge in overall offense, and we can whittle your numbers down very quickly. in the meantime, you need to show that it is possible, in any way at all, to get through our shields when even a po'd dark phoenix couldn't. good luck with that. 🙂

lockjaw's detection skills > everything mentioned in ambient's arsenal

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Originally posted by leonidas
a scan showing this ability would help. i don't see how any 'bio-signature' would be available for him to find however, and...... do zombies even HAVE a bio-signature??? you would need to prove that a bio-scan could, in some logical way, penetrate our shields which keep out pretty much EVERYTHING. without it, we're hidden. so.....good luck with that. 🙂

I'd also like to point out that this form of scan not only detects bio energies but is also a form of sonar detection as it detect motion or movement patterns.. Another way i could also detect you or your summoned zombie location. This form of scan was able to process, access and locate information across the whole Brazil grid. An extremely accurate way of detection, unlike say the scan with Mag's cloaking. It was never clear if it could ever actually hide him against someone who is actually using they're, in this case very formidable senses in locating him as the scan showed that both BB or Lock Jaw was going about in their normal daily routine which didn't include using they're senses to find someone..

Originally posted by leonidas
even if you could, it's not like we're staying in one spot. 😐 the zombies wouldn't know where we are either.....

Well you've had to rely information to them during prep like plan of action; Attack plan, approximate location to them so you wouldn't get caught with they're big bang attack, exact location before combat, and the likes.. This information can be retrieve from your Summoned.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious--what ARE this cable's tp feats? don't forget you are shielded by your own gravity shield and your tk shield as well. can he use his tp through both sets of shields? would this weaken him, lead to some burn out.....? 😖hifty

Here is how far Cable TP reach; New York to Switzerland, Germany, across the Pacific..

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8784/cd00303cs5.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7937/cabledeadpool00209.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8032/cabledeadpool102005stree.jpg

Even mention he could read everybody's mind..

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9728/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg

Mind Controlled six pack to sleep; also keep note Psi-jamming that prevents TP and that didn't work..

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7096/cabledeadpool08200410br.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/813/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg/

No! This wouldn't weaken him; 1st off. His not single handedly supporting a huge Island for months and 2nd. His not fighting one of the most powerful being in Marvel; Silver Surfer..

So my plan to read and mind control your summon is quite practical. Why? The battle field is not only a lot smaller but your summons do not have the protection of any tp manipulation and even if it does, it seems that Cable tp can go through psi-jammings. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas
also, i'm not sure if mags was amped by cortez in that scan or not.

so, jamming, or inhibiting, both are equally effective and will prevent you not only controlling OUR guys, but it will also repvent you communicating with your OWN team. 🙂

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

However this scan was not Mags doing but rather Exodus, this was the time when Mags was still comatose due to the mindwipe cause by Prof. X and had Exodus fooled the Acolytes to thinking that Mags was giving orders through him.. So the scan still none valid

http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view&current=MagnetoLongRangeTelepathy.jpg

Well if you've got more time in prep and i might agree he could very well do this, unfortunately 25 min. wouldn't be enough.. His been subtly altering the E.M field since his resurrection to inhibit long range tp which likely suggest that it took sometime to do this; week or years perhaps and also another thing to add is that this only stops long range but what about close/short range? A highly unlikely scenario only possible with more time

Not really.. Your proof didn't really provide any evidence to suggest that you could jam or stop our mind control, on the other hand i've provided proof that Cable TP's might be immune to tp jamming..

Originally posted by leonidas
again, i see no proof at all of technopathy. CABLE brought them to the infonet. there is ZERO to suggest your technopathy. and besides--what EXACTLY are you trying to DO with this supposed technopathy?? you keep saying it, but..... you've not even told anyone what you're trying to do with it. how are you going to technopathically 'attack' mags or comet or kabuto?? we don't HAVE tech! sooooo.

book says it requires a MASSIVE SERVER. i'll leave it to the judges to decide if they feel your guy could do it on his own.

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3138/tourney6.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/522/page15mg9.jpg/

It doesn't take much to connect to a server this days, heck you can buy and become one, so someone like technarchy warlock who could send signals across the galaxy should be more than capable of morphing into one..

Ill respond the rest later...

Originally posted by Ambient
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i HATE that. hope you didn't lose it all when it didn't post. too many smiles and other tags?

anyway, good match so far ambient. 👆

i'll let you finish before pg or i jump back in.

Originally posted by leonidas
i HATE that. hope you didn't lose it all when it didn't post. too many smiles and other tags?

anyway, good match so far ambient. 👆

i'll let you finish before pg or i jump back in.

Anyhow go ahead guys, it'll be some time till my next reply.. I'm at work right now..

And yeah good match thus far..

Originally posted by Ambient
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/image3ve.jpg/

I'd also like to point out that this form of scan not only detects bio energies but is also a form of sonar detection as it detect motion or movement patterns.. Another way i could also detect you or your summoned zombie location. This form of scan was able to process, access and locate information across the whole Brazil grid. An extremely accurate way of detection, unlike say the scan with Mag's cloaking. It was never clear if it could ever actually hide him against someone who is actually using they're, in this case very formidable senses in locating him as the scan showed that both BB or Lock Jaw was going about in their normal daily routine which didn't include using they're senses to find someone..

why are you assuming lockjaws senses were 'turned off'? his sense of smell doesn't stop because he's not actively looking for someone. his hearing doesn't stop. he neither saw, smelled or heard mags' presence and mags was pretty close. lockjaws physical senses are some of the best in marvel. he can track scents across DIMENSIONS for cyring out loud, and can at times at least, even sense danger. in ff #58, he was able to sense the danger doom posed when he gained ss's power cosmic! yet he didn't have any clue mags was present. i think that's pretty telling. any 'bio-reading' warlock could look for, lockjaw would notice, so again, i fail to see how finding some regular, unshielded people in a city equates to find us with so simple a process.

Well you've had to rely information to them during prep like plan of action; Attack plan, approximate location to them so you wouldn't get caught with they're big bang attack, exact location before combat, and the likes.. This information can be retrieve from your Summoned.

again, they wouldn't know. we just fly into the air and have the entire badlands to hide in. a 1000 is a very small number considering the size of that place....

Alright..

Here is how far Cable TP reach; New York to Switzerland, Germany, across the Pacific..

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8784/cd00303cs5.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7937/cabledeadpool00209.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8032/cabledeadpool102005stree.jpg

Even mention he could read everybody's mind..

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9728/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg

Mind Controlled six pack to sleep; also keep note Psi-jamming that prevents TP and that didn't work..

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7096/cabledeadpool08200410br.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/813/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg/

No! This wouldn't weaken him; 1st off. His not single handedly supporting a huge Island for months and 2nd. His not fighting one of the most powerful being in Marvel; Silver Surfer..

So my plan to read and mind control your summon is quite practical. Why? The battle field is not only a lot smaller but your summons do not have the protection of any tp manipulation and even if it does, it seems that Cable tp can go through psi-jammings. 😖hifty:

well, you may be able to read them, but i don't see that really helping you much. and reading thoughts and making a couple people fall asleep really isn't all that impressive and is nowhere near the same as mind controlling 40 zombies to attack us.....

and the scans seem a little disjointed. not sure exactly what happened, or why the psi pulse failed. missing some context to complete it. not even sure what a psi pulse is SUPPOSED to do. seemed even they weren't confident it would work though. 😬

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

However this scan was not Mags doing but rather Exodus, this was the time when Mags was still comatose due to the mindwipe cause by Prof. X and had Exodus fooled the Acolytes to thinking that Mags was giving orders through him.. So the scan still none valid

huh? proof? what issue number was that scan from cuz i wanted to check myself but couldn't find it.....

http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view&current=MagnetoLongRangeTelepathy.jpg

Well if you've got more time in prep and i might agree he could very well do this, unfortunately 25 min. wouldn't be enough.. His been subtly altering the E.M field since his resurrection to inhibit long range tp which likely suggest that it took sometime to do this; week or years perhaps and also another thing to add is that this only stops long range but what about close/short range? A highly unlikely scenario only possible with more time

but he's (a) not going to be subtle, and (b) he's only trying to affect a small area surrounding the battlefield--not the entire earth. i don't see it as unreasonable to say he could do inhibit, or at the very least, make it difficult for you to use your tp.

Not really.. Your proof didn't really provide any evidence to suggest that you could jam or stop our mind control, on the other hand i've provided proof that Cable TP's might be immune to tp jamming..

that proof is very shaky, as are cable's tp feats in general tbh. reading minds and putting a couple people to sleep=/=controlling all our zombies in the middle of a battle.

In this scan Cable is using Technopathy on Capt. America; directly uploading info to his brain. My propose plan was mind rape via by this means and flood you with mass information till your mind blows or shuts down. Cable has done this, i just can't seem to find the scan..

again, that is NOT technopathy--at least not as i know it. cyborg superman is a technopath. this is more akin to cable's tp--which makes sense since that is what it was supposed to replace. and he certainly didn't overwhelm cap with it--in fact he didn't even us it to attack. he merely passed along information. not sure why you think that would be effective at all. nor do i see why anyone would believe that TELEPATHIC 'assault' would be effective against mags when xavier himself has failed to breach his mental defenses. 😬

to reiterate--we've shown that we have the power to hinder his tp, to potentially weaken and take out his grav shields via emp or mag's own ability to affect gravity. once the grav shields are down, his regualr tk shields could not hold up to our superior firepower. it might take a while, but we would whittle them down eventually.

hell, if we REALLY want to do some damage we could drop a massive, mountain-sized piece of the badlands on them, or open a volcano:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1496/magcontrolsearth2gf.jpg

😄

they, otoh have done NOTHING to indicate they can either (a) breach or shielding, or (b) affect us mentally, or (c) even FIND us to attack us!

we've been on the offense and have offered more and more credible ways of winning this match.

Originally posted by Ambient
Alright..

Here is how far Cable TP reach; New York to Switzerland, Germany, across the Pacific..

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8784/cd00303cs5.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7937/cabledeadpool00209.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8032/cabledeadpool102005stree.jpg

Even mention he could read everybody's mind..

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9728/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg

Mind Controlled six pack to sleep; also keep note Psi-jamming that prevents TP and that didn't work..

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7096/cabledeadpool08200410br.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/813/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg/

reach of comet:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/range.jpg "five light years"

and casually making better more powerful characters fall asleep

the pure energy starman:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gavynsleep.jpg

and bizarro:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/biz1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/biz2.jpg

only the best (class-A telepaths) can do such a thing:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/aclass.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/aclass2.jpg