Originally posted by DARTH POWERHave Vader or Palpatine ever used the force to restrain a being anywhere near as powerful, as fast, or as durable as Superman?
Has physical strength or power ever made anyone immune to being affected by the Force?
ie. have they used the force to paralyze something that has physical strength sufficient to pulverize planets, can travel multiple times the speed of light, and can tank blasts 50x> a supernova?
If not, then why in the hell would we assume they can use the force to such an extreme degree?
Yes, physical strength is a factor in resisting the force. If it wasn't then the size of an object wouldn't matter when a Jedi tries to move it. Bigger objects are harder to move than smaller ones because they weigh more, weight is the force of gravity pulling at an object, and the bigger the object the stronger the force gravity has on it and the more it weighs.
So obviously, if a force user has trouble lifting a car because it is too heavy, they wouldn't be able to contain an individual who can exert trillions of tons of force.
Blax
Yes, physical strength is a factor in resisting the force. If it wasn't then the size of an object wouldn't matter when a Jedi tries to move it. Bigger objects are harder to move than smaller ones because they weigh more, weight is the force of gravity pulling at an object, and the bigger the object the stronger the force gravity has on it and the more it weighs.So obviously, if a force user has trouble lifting a car because it is too heavy, they wouldn't be able to contain an individual who can exert trillions of tons of force.
If a Force user struggles lifting something the size of a car, it's because of the car's weight, is it not? Superman might be able to exert trillions of tons of Force, but it's not as if he weighs that and what, exactly, would he be using that strength against?
As an aside, we can bypass this all together: Hasn't Superman broken telekinetic grips of others?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Yes, physical strength is a factor in resisting the force. If it wasn't then the size of an object wouldn't matter when a Jedi tries to move it.
Man I miss the good old OT days when "Size mattered Not!"
In any case Ive just remembered, Jedi/Sith can control the minds of the weak minded.
Yes before you all shout at me I know Supes is not weak minded, BUT there was a CW episode that showed a couple of strong Jedi can get together to control a Strong minded person. And if he resists it will just tear his mind apart.
So thats it, Palpatine and Vader put their powers together and tear Supes mind apart as a worst case scenario, and control him as a best case scenario. Palps and Vader win
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Although some how I doubt that is it, as someone is gna prove that Supes has complete and utter resistance to all kinds of telepathy (yawn). How do they even come up with interesting stories for the guy.
Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccidAs an aside, we can bypass this all together: Hasn't Superman broken telekinetic grips of others?
Maybe its just me but Iv always seen Force TK as something harder to resist than regular TK, because well its The Force. That energy field that makes up the Universe, binds everything together. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter 😛
My knowledge of physics suffers because I've only had a single class of it (which was online, even in high school; which I BS'd) and I find most sciences to be naturally offputting. God bless the likes of Zampano and Blaxican for suffering through that sh1t; their diligence allows folks such as myself to slip through the cracks of education and into the blessed realm of ignorance.
Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccidWhat is weight? Weight is an exertion of force. The force you create from throwing a punch isn't significantly different from the force of gravity.
If a Force user struggles lifting something the size of a car, it's because of the car's weight, is it not? Superman might be able to exert trillions of tons of Force, but it's not as if he weighs that and what, exactly, would he be using that strength against?As an aside, we can bypass this all together: Hasn't Superman broken telekinetic grips of others?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
How do they even come up with interesting stories for the guy.
They don't, basically. Once Superman hits a certain range of power DC hits the reset button and a crisis happens, after which he's significantly weaker than he was before.
Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccidSpeed begets mass. Even if Superman were only moving at the speed of light, he'd be packing a nigh-infinite amount of mass.
If a Force user struggles lifting something the size of a car, it's because of the car's weight, is it not? Superman might be able to exert trillions of tons of Force, but it's not as if he weighs that and what, exactly, would he be using that strength against?
Lets see force-TK manipulate him then. 😛
Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccidSuperman has saved the entire omniverse (an infinite amount of universes in the world of comics) by simply vibrating his body. THAT'S how ridiculously uber he's written at times.
As an aside, we can bypass this all together: Hasn't Superman broken telekinetic grips of others?
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI already proved that a few pages ago. Superman beat Dominus (a universal telepath/reality warper) on the mental plane. He would shrug off a telepathic assault from Palps/Vader, based on their respective feats in that area.
Although some how I doubt that is it, as someone is gna prove that Supes has complete and utter resistance to all kinds of telepathy (yawn). How do they even come up with interesting stories for the guy.
Superman is just one of those characters that has done pretty much anything you can think of. That's why it's so difficult to prove that any being without abstract-esque power can beat him. Personally, I don't care for him as a character, but somehow I'm quite familiar with his feats. 🙁
I started to reply to the physics part, but then I got a headache and decided to eff it all.
On the telepath note, does Dominus have telepathic feats surpassing the Emperor's? Remember, Palpatine could manipulate the thoughts of millions (Coruscant, during the burial of the Lusankya) and billions on Byss.
Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccidYeah the speed/mass ratio was only speaking from an "in comics" point of view. In DC comics, the closer a character moves toward the speed of light, the more their mass increases... All the way to infinity (lulz.) I can only say that with certainty because, well, Superman's done it (as have many others.)
I started to reply to the physics part, but then I got a headache and decided to eff it all.
Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccidDominus was telepathically controlling multiple realities, and rebuilding them to his whim. Once Superman mastered Torquasm-Vo (an ancient Kryptonian telepathic discipline) he was able to go toe to toe with Dominus on the mental plane. So yeah.
On the telepath note, does Dominus have telepathic feats surpassing the Emperor's? Remember, Palpatine could manipulate the thoughts of millions (Coruscant, during the burial of the Lusankya) and billions on Byss.
Galan007
Dominus was telepathically controlling multiple realities, and rebuilding them to his whim. Once Superman mastered Torquasm-Vo (an ancient Kryptonian telepathic discipline) he was able to go toe to toe with Dominus on the mental plane. So yeah.
Interesting. I commend you for keeping up with this shit, it's damn near impossible to do it for Star Wars, let alone the comic world.