Superman Vs. the Galactic Empire

Originally posted by Fortitude
I don't get it. Who was raging boner?

What are current Supe's durability feats? At his height, not even the Death Star could do jack.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
I'm not a physics expert, but would one's physical strength increase one's ability to resist immobilization? If one is unable to move, how would one be able to apply such strength?

Superman doesn't need to physically move to apply force. He can fly, remember. And with enough force to reach lightspeed and pull planets.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
If a Force user struggles lifting something the size of a car, it's because of the car's weight, is it not? Superman might be able to exert trillions of tons of Force, but it's not as if he weighs that and what, exactly, would he be using that strength against?

According to ROT Force Stasis (which is what I assume we are talking about) manifests as an actual physical energy field.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Man I miss the good old OT days when "Size mattered Not!"

In any case Ive just remembered, Jedi/Sith can control the minds of the weak minded.

Yes before you all shout at me I know Supes is not weak minded, BUT there was a CW episode that showed a couple of strong Jedi can get together to control a Strong minded person. And if he resists it will just tear his mind apart.

So thats it, Palpatine and Vader put their powers together and tear Supes mind apart as a worst case scenario, and control him as a best case scenario. Palps and Vader win

💃

Although some how I doubt that is it, as someone is gna prove that Supes has complete and utter resistance to all kinds of telepathy (yawn). How do they even come up with interesting stories for the guy.

All they managed was to make him slightly edgy and freak him out. They couldn't even make him tell them a few secrets. Ad somehow they're coing to make Superman join the space nazi's? Nah.

Thats exactly what I'm going to do. In Emperor Joker Superman resisted the realtering of reality by sheer wll and was confirmed to have the strongest will in the universe.

Originally posted by Nephthys

All they managed was to make him slightly edgy and freak him out. They couldn't even make him tell them a few secrets. Ad somehow they're coing to make Superman join the space nazi's? Nah.

Yes he was able to resist the mind control, barely, but it was ripping his mind apart. Either way its a defeat.

Oh and btw that was Jedi, who dnt believe in torture. Imagine what Sith would do.

It sure as shit looked like they were torturing him to me.

Supermans mind is exponentially more powerful than that ass-clowns. Plus you assume he'll just stand there and let them mind trick him.

^ Well I was kind of assuming they wuld'nt just be standing in front of him. Vader and Sidious could be doing this from Vader's Super Star Destroyer.

And yeah it did look like they were torturing him, because him resisting the mind control of 3 Jedi, was tearing his mind apart!

But Ok if Supes has that much resistance to Mind Control as well (yawn) then it wnt work, but may slow him down.

Either way I still dnt see him taking down a whole empire spanning a Galaxy, through many different systems, all with different coloured Suns.

Btw In a He-Man crossover Skeletor took over Silver Age Supe's mind.

THis is all irrelevant. The man moves at the speed of light. No force user or starship in the entire mythos can stop him, even if they were all working together.

^ We're talking about a Fleet of ships. A fleet in each system possibly. Has Superman ever taken down an entire Intergalactic Empire? I doubt it. Thats just too much.

And Star Wars ships also travel at light speed. And its very rare when Supes actually fights at speeds of Light Speed or above. He's been hit enough times by slow pokes.

So Im sure huge Star Destroyers shooting thousands of lasers with tie fighters coming from all directions will be hitting him.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
THis is all irrelevant. The man moves at the speed of light. No power in the 'verse can stop him.

Fixed.

Ok show a scan of him fighting at speeds beyond a Star Wars ship. Iv been on Superman threads before, so I know thats actually hard to prove.

He might take down a SD or 2, even a DS, but not a whole Empire.

DARTH POWER
^ We're talking about a Fleet of ships. A fleet in each system possibly. Has Superman ever taken down an entire Intergalactic Empire? I doubt it. Thats just too much.

Michael Collins
A wormhole has opened and the Man of steel has arrived on Tattooine just as R2 and C3PO land and look for Ben in episode 4. Superman has wandered into Mos Eisley and is looking for a way home. He hears of a guy called Han Solo and goes to meet him just as Luke and Ben do. What happens if he teams up with Luke on the rescue mission for the Princess.

If Superman teamed up with the Rebel Alliance he could rip the Death Star in half and capture or kill Darth Vader before Obi-Wan has to die. The possibilities from there are fairly upbeat for the good guys.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ok show a scan of him fighting at speeds beyond a Star Wars ship. Iv been on Superman threads before, so I know thats actually hard to prove.

He might take down a SD or 2, even a DS, but not a whole Empire.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4955/superman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plug Lois them ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1831/supermanhaulingassagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

He's also repeatedly beaten Wonder Woman in terms of speed. Her feats.

Originally posted by fangirl101
III Speed

Deflecting Rapid fire heat vision attack from Superman as she remarks
“He’s already moving at speed..”
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228647_job17mx/

Deflecting the light speed attacks of the uber Shattered God. This really shows her combat speed and blocking speed and skil.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

This is for the nay sayers who believe Diana is ubable to attack at superspeeds. Read it and weep kids. She can do it, and she has.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg

Diana is in the park, in her civilian gear, and manages to change into her costume, and block a bullet being fired at point blank rage.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228637_bulblockwoqi7/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228636_bulblockwo2se2/

Blitzes Primaid into outerspace so fast that not even Flash and GL notice where she’s at.
Martian Manhunter has to use his Martian vision just to see the fight.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/19/1228651_558x768.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228641_600x921.jpg

Blocks multiple stinger attacks.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228639_500x801.jpg

Flash and Wondy create a vortex in order to remove all the oxygen from MM’s http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228640_500x792.jpg

Deflecting the Omega beams from out of no where. Not even DS could react.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/02/16/1228857_614x968.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/02/16/1228858_614x968.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/02/16/1228859_613x244.jpg

Wondy and Flash use super speed to save a town of 900 people in a few seconds. Flash even remarks on Wondy’s speed.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228652_speedan6/

Diana helps create a vortex to take down Surtur.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/19/1228655_763x1238.jpg

Uses speed to follow and capture the faux Flash.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/20/1228658_983x1520.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228663_WonderWoman109-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228665_WonderWoman109-19/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228662_WonderWoman109-17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228667_WonderWoman109-20/

Ties Amazo up in a lasso knot before Superman can blink.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/18/1228645_527x800.jpg

Here she grabs a GL construct mid attack and throws it back.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228650_scan0032/

Wondy and Supers test her supers speed and reflexes after she gets another upgrade thanks to Clayface’s attempt at stealing her power.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/22/1228669_960x1456.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/22/1228670_942x1492.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/22/1228672_928x1470.jpg

Using super speed to kick apart a planes engines to disable it.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/22/1228673_669x1033.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/25/1228682_494x768.jpg

Manages to catch the Roman god of speed Mercury off guard with a deflection of his blast.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228685_wonderwomanv251122bw/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228686_wonderwomanv251142rc/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228688_wonderwomanv251150um/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228689_wonderwomanv251167zj/

Tags MOTHER****ING ZOOM while blind by kicking rocks to hear him, punching him, and lassoing him.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228697_ww2148vszoom2wc/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228698_ww2149vszoom7vu/

Deflecting machine gun fire from five mercenaries
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/29/1228701_644x936.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/30/1228702_656x964.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/30/1228703_676x984.jpg

Deflecting machine gun fire again.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/29/1228695_647x1032.jpg

Catches an evil version of Flash with a knee to the chest after he hammers her with hundreds of blows. (Stop being nasty and get your mind out of the gutter. Tee hee)
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/34/1228736_434x640.jpg

Diana runs/flys along side Jesse quick
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/35/1228737_561x846.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/35/1228738_579x856.jpg

Wondy uses her own speed to go super luminal to follow Jesse Quick into the Speed force. She then lasso’s the speed force moving Jesse to stop her from doing something foolish.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/35/1228739_672x1020.jpg

Diana moves at super speed to save a woman’s life.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228706_WW_V3_025_01/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228714_WW_V3_025_05/

If anyone is wonder weather or not Wondy fights entire battles at Super Speeds, take a look at what Maxwell says,(Keep in mind they’ve been damned near to the sun and back, she’s called on her empathy powers, hidden from him, and they’ve traded blows)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228649_job131ps/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228648_job29bn/

Deflects Amazo’s heat vision attack and later on uses speed to evade and bulrush him.

Edit: I underlined the important stuff.

Also this:

-Superman-
"Now that I've sped up my senses to match Flash's speed, it's like the whole world has just frozen around us":
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9351/speed1g.jpg
(Note the waitress beginning to fall in the background.)

Superman and Flash then go on to have a several-pages-long conversation. At the end of their 'meeting', the waitress, and all of the items she was carrying, are still hovering in the air around them:
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/3773/speed2g.jpg
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1197/speed3.jpg
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/9449/speed4rl.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9971/speed5d.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2968/speed6h.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4310/speed7.jpg
(Solidifying Superman's comment.)

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In the same issue, Superman actually caught Flash in a foot race (unprecedented):
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5195/speed8.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2765/speed9.jpg

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Why is the above important? Because it tells us that Superman can a.) move as fast as (if not faster than) Flash where pure speed is concerned, and b.) it tells us that Supes can speed up his senses to match those of Flash... And just how fast is Flash in those areas?

-Flash-
"I can think at the speed of light, I can perceive events that last for less than an attosecond, I can run faster than time. What do I see when I run across the country, Superman? I see everything and everyone":
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/42/speed10.jpg

Imo the GE would be destroyed before they ever knew they were being attacked.

DARTH POWER
Ok show a scan of him fighting at speeds beyond a Star Wars ship. Iv been on Superman threads before, so I know thats actually hard to prove.

As far as I can tell, there's not a single piece of equipment or technology fast enough, powerful enough, or durable enough to withstand the best of Superman. Maybe the Sun Crusher's hull. But try comparing "quantum-crystalline armor" from Star Wars to any material to DC and you get a debate of speculation that won't end.

But I just don't see even Sith or Jedi paired up with their tech. being able to stop Supes.

Superman is incredibly powerful and wins in this thread... But even he can't destroy a galaxy spanning Empire in seconds.

No. But he'll achieve it eventually. Guy's got time.

Oh for sure, IIRC he is still alive in 1000000 AD. I was just replying to Galan's statement which said he would win before the GE even knew what was happening.

I think he means in a single engagement, Superman would tear through every ship and obliterate them before they even knew what was going on.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I think he means in a single engagement, Superman would tear through every ship and obliterate them before they even knew what was going on.

Ok Supes destroys the entire empire. Jeez why did Krypton even need spaceships or advanced technology?