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Atlas in God of War seems to be keeping the crust of the planet on his shoulders. So He's stronger than his mythological counterpart as the weight of earths atmosphere would be less.

That was the whole point in the end fight in chains of Olympus. Kratos had to stop the pillar that was holding the crust from being destroyed or the entire planet would fall apart. And Since he resisted atlas himself, Hades who was physically restraining atlas and Cronos who was a bit bigger than atlas it's safe to say he is at the top of the strength chain.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That can't be it because it mentions myths and shit sometimes rather than actual facts.

Which is....?

Well, you never catch a legendary Pokemon in the canon as far as I know. Always seemed more optional to catch 'em. Legendary Pokemon might just defy the science of the Pokemon world.

How the Pokedex comes up with some of the things it says.

Pokemon has canon?! 😮

You mean like how it knows Machamp can punch 100 times a second just by scanning it? Magic, obviously.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I think your trying to claim the Atlas in GoW is doing exactly what he does in real world myth, GoW is only loosely based on mythology.

I dont recall it, is that in chains of Olympus? because if so I did not play that, can you show me this happening or actually point out that he held up the world as we know it?

Because Hercules showed the strength to pull up simply the ground in GoW 3, even Atlas himself in GoW 3 using a lot of strength to smash the ground with simply sent a large tremur of rock to strike Hades.

Simply put, there was no world strength shown in GoW 3. There must be some kind of reference in Chains of Olympus that gave hercules some sort of boost unless he is much weaker now than he was.

Atlas isn't doing what he is Mythology, but he's doing what he's commonly depicted doing in Popular Culture, which is lifting up the Earth.
'Loosely based' is not entirely accurate, considering the characters themselves are quite close to their mythological counterparts, minor personality details excluded. Then there are character-related events like the Labours of Hercules (where he lifted the World, which he indirectly references by bringing up the Labour in which he lifted the World), Zeus trapping Typhon under Mount Etna (though Typhon is a Titan here), etc.
So yeah, GoW does deviate, but it has similarities, enough for us to say that it shares its details with Greek Myth, unless specified or shown to differentiate.

In CoO, Persephone plans to destroy the Pillar of the World (basically, a Giant Pillar that holds up the Earth, to prevent it from falling into the Underworld), and she uses Atlas to try and destroy it. Kratos chains Atlas directly under the Earth, & kills Persephone. Her death destroys the topmost part of the Pillar, leaving Atlas to lift up the Earth on his shoulders.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Pokemon has canon?! 😮

You mean like how it knows Machamp can punch 100 times a second just by scanning it? Magic, obviously.

Kinda. In the early games in particular, you don't have to catch legendaries. Even in later games, it seems like catching the physical embodiment of space is silly.

Well not so much that one. The Pokedex could have a counter on it to determine how quickly it punches and junk. It's mostly feats like chucking a freaking mountain! I mean, how the hell do you test that? Only way I can think of is by having Machamp throw a mountain. But physically changing the environment just to test the limits of it's strength is stupid.

The Pokedex gathering information by scanning a Pokemon wouldn't be impossible. Pokeballs change states of matter, size, and open and close with a single button.

How can you know something is strong enough to throw a mountain just by looking at it? No scientist would just state something like that. Scientists want to see physical proof of things before writing it in encyclopedias. Or at least convincing enough data.

I was just making a point. And I don't really know how. It'd fall along the same lines as Samus' magical Scan Visor. It does it with BIRD MAGIC!

Magic is fine but the Pokedex is supposed to be purely scientific. I'm not sure about Samus's suit but it might fall under the same category.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
How can you know something is strong enough to throw a mountain just by looking at it? No scientist would just state something like that. Scientists want to see physical proof of things before writing it in encyclopedias. Or at least convincing enough data.

Pokemon scientists like theories. vin

Any suficiently advanced technology can be indistinquishable from magic.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pokemon scientists like theories. vin

They aren't presenting them as theories. They're presenting them as facts. 313

Originally posted by Nephthys
Any suficiently advanced technology can be indistinquishable from magic.

I still don't know how it could examine something and be able to come up with something like mountain chucking.

Scan its muscle density etc?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Any suficiently advanced technology can be indistinquishable from magic.

👆

Clarke has the truth of it.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
They aren't presenting them as theories. They're presenting them as facts. 313

Long long ago, the World being flat, and the Sun revolving around the World, were 'facts'. 131

Seriously though, how do they test the limits of a Pokemon? Weightlifting for strength? Would be kind of plausible.

Pokemon win with...OH HELL KRATOS IS IN THIS?! THAT'S LIKE...THROWING THE LIVING TRIBUNAL IN THIS MATCH ;~;! THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE ARCEUS,DIALGA,PALKIA, AND GIRATINA..HECK THROW IN MEWTWO AND THE REST OF THE LEGENDARIES...THEY'LL ALL DIE :[!!! KRATOS KILLS GAWDS ;~;!!!!!!! WE NEED GARY OAK..

Seriously though that was kinda my reaction when I read the opening post...I feel pokemon can win the first rounds, but Kratos is too much...I thought it was like a war so I imagine the MK team dead and then the pokemon team all ganging up on Kratos but...ehhh..honestly idk....Kratos is a powerhouse and he has weapons so.....eh..:/...don't like the guy but I can't deny his strength

Originally posted by Ban Mido
ARCEUS,DIALGA,PALKIA, AND GIRATINA..HECK THROW IN MEWTWO

Any of them would kill Kratos. Mewtwo with more difficulty than the others. And probably some other legendaries could kill him and I just don't want to recall which ones because that takes time.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Long long ago, the World being flat, and the Sun revolving around the World, were 'facts'. 131

Seriously though, how do they test the limits of a Pokemon? Weightlifting for strength? Would be kind of plausible.

This is a society that created a time machine so I'm pretty sure they're more scientific than humans were a while ago.

Idk? Nephthys said measuring muscle density but I'm not a scientist so I don't know if that would get an answer.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Atlas isn't doing what he is Mythology, but he's doing what he's commonly depicted doing in Popular Culture, which is lifting up the Earth.
'Loosely based' is not entirely accurate, considering the characters themselves are quite close to their mythological counterparts, minor personality details excluded. Then there are character-related events like the Labours of Hercules (where he lifted the World, which he indirectly references by bringing up the Labour in which he lifted the World), Zeus trapping Typhon under Mount Etna (though Typhon is a Titan here), etc.
So yeah, GoW does deviate, but it has similarities, enough for us to say that it shares its details with Greek Myth, unless specified or shown to differentiate.

In CoO, Persephone plans to destroy the Pillar of the World (basically, a Giant Pillar that holds up the Earth, to prevent it from falling into the Underworld), and she uses Atlas to try and destroy it. Kratos chains Atlas directly under the Earth, & kills Persephone. Her death destroys the topmost part of the Pillar, leaving Atlas to lift up the Earth on his shoulders.

Looking in the GoW wiki, was Atlas not holding the world up to seperate it from the underworld? It seems to me that, along with the world pillar before him he was just holding up what the Greeks conceptionally saw as the world, rather than an actual planet. Further, holding up the planet like that would have some impossible physical ramfications regardless of strength and Atlas' durability.

Is there a youtube vid showing the chaining of Atlas, and the fight in general? I want to see how this is achieved, it seems strength of a physcail nature and more the conceptual rules of GoW seem to be questioned here.

Further, how do you explain how weak Hercules seems? from not being able to push up the Olympus arena when Kratos puts it on him, not being able to push Kratos more than a few feet, even when he smashes his Cestus' again the two undead who brought it to him they just went through the air, hardly "planet lifting" strength.

Yes Atlas is holding up the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tfhYD4L-eA

Listen to the narrator at 2:33 and the full scale shot at 2:57. You can see him doing it. The reason why atlas wasn't in God Of War 3 was because the planet would fall apart without him

LOt's of things seem weak in God of war but they aren't. Kratos had trouble shoving a log out of the way in one scene but stops a charging leviathan that was man handling several titans by itself dead in it's tracks in the next scene. My best guess is that he has control over his strength and was just messing with those skeletons (which are stronger than most people aswell)

In The official novel Hercules took the burden of atlas and held up the planet. So that means he is strong enough to hold up a planet. Simple as that. And before anyone complains that the planet is flat or whatever, there are statues of atlas in the first game showing atlas holding up a SPHERICAL planet earth.

The planet should technically fall apart regardless of what hes doing assuming the GoW universe and greek mythology displayed perfect physics. It would crumble and shatter around him, also if he was holding up the planet, what is he standing on?

By the sounds of it your talking about gameplay mechanics, wheras the only hercules in-game showings put him at a few hundred tons at best in his cutscenes and show his limitations, I think your toying with what "the world" means to mythological greece and what a planet is physically to modern science. You would have to do better than have a statue of Atlas with a sphere on his back to suggest he has the strength to lift trillions upon trillions of tonnes.

Hercules is even more unlikely than Atlas, if Hercules exerted Sextillions of tons in his body the arena would not stand unharmed, or with nothing but a few piecies crumbling from it. Neither would the gate Kratos launched him into stay unharmed, infact any exertion from Hercules assuming Greek mythology has knowledge of real world masses of the earth would cause him to bury/collapse Olmypus (or fall through it) the moment he leapt down to meet Kratos in the arena 😉

Further, Hercules does not even mension holding up the planet to Kratos when going through his adventures, he complains at how Kratos gets all the glory and how the Nemean lion is one of his few glorious actions, would you not think the pinnacle of strength would brag to Kratos about how he can lift up the planet?

Too many contradictions, assumptions and illogical beliefs would have to be made on the fans claiming the characters held the Earth as we know it on their shoulders with notihng but physical force.