The planet should technically fall apart regardless of what hes doing assuming the GoW universe and greek mythology displayed perfect physi balh blah blah blah BLAH......
Well then these aren't perfect physics then. These are badass physics. I'm sorry that the video game designers aren't physics scientist that took every single little detail into account. They took what people back then generally know about the subject and used it to tell an impossible story about greek mythology. Christ almighty.
If we were all as hard headed about this damn near no comic movie or game would have any useful feat to use.
And no I really don't. It's a statue of atlas holding up a SPHERICAL earth. Not a flat one, showing that the developers intended for the planet in the game to be depicted as the same as the one in real life, But infact, the commercial for the game also shows and spherical earth so that right there is two pieces of evidence that in God of war, atlas holds up the entire earth as opposed to just parts of Europe, Africa and Asia (I can tell that's what your going for)
Hercules mentions it in the book.
Both of those inconsistencies with Kratos happened in QTE's. And besides all that, the arena not exploding from Hercules and Kratos punching each other can be attributed to gameplay and technological limitations.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Looking in the GoW wiki, was Atlas not holding the world up to seperate it from the underworld? It seems to me that, along with the world pillar before him he was just holding up what the Greeks conceptionally saw as the world, rather than an actual planet. Further, holding up the planet like that would have some impossible physical ramfications regardless of strength and Atlas' durability.Is there a youtube vid showing the chaining of Atlas, and the fight in general? I want to see how this is achieved, it seems strength of a physcail nature and more the conceptual rules of GoW seem to be questioned here.
Further, how do you explain how weak Hercules seems? from not being able to push up the Olympus arena when Kratos puts it on him, not being able to push Kratos more than a few feet, even when he smashes his Cestus' again the two undead who brought it to him they just went through the air, hardly "planet lifting" strength.
He was holding it up to prevent it from potentially crushing him, and to separate it from the Underworld, as I pointed out in my post.
He's not holding up a Planet per se (Certainly not the Earth as we know it). Instead, he's holding up a Flat Model of the Earth, because that is how it is depicted in GoW, with the Island of Creation at the Edge.
So he isn't holding up anything near 6×10^24 kilos, but everything from the the Mantle-Crust upwards, which would be considerably smaller than 6x10^24 kilos, prolly about 1% depending on the view of where exactly the crust starts, which works out to about 6x10^22 kilos.
Also, Atlas has held Helios in one hand, who is the Sun in Greek Myth and GoW. Though it just might be that Helios does not really weigh 2x10^30 kilos. Would be ridiculous if he did. Then again, this is a video game, where all the laws of physics as we know it do not have to necessarily apply.
1) Kratos had Leverage, and had used the Cestus to punch said Arena onto Hercules.
2) Olympian Stone is much much stronger than normal materials used in construction, like Granite. Onyx on Olympus is even stronger.
3) Kratos has what others have dubbed 'Super Inertia'. He doesn't move more than a few feet when people like Zeus punch him.
4) Lifting Strength would not necessarily be equal to punching 'strength'.
5) It's a video game based on Greek Myth. Everything in it is pretty much impossible in our world.
DP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ijF6_q5Hc
5 seconds in. Doesn't look like a flat earth to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaoBOe5idLw
50 seconds in you can see 2 drawings of atlas holding up a sphere on his shoulders. 4 minutes and 40 seconds in you see the statue lift a sphere.
I'll admit explaining how he's doing it is weird but he's doing it, it's and important part of the plot.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Could always do the Metroid thing. Start you off with full power and then take it. 😮
So basically, a weak Zeus. 😛
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
DPhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ijF6_q5Hc
5 seconds in. Doesn't look like a flat earth to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaoBOe5idLw
50 seconds in you can see 2 drawings of atlas holding up a sphere on his shoulders. 4 minutes and 40 seconds in you see the statue lift a sphere.
I'll admit explaining how he's doing it is weird but he's doing it, it's and important part of the plot.
1) It is a commercial. Shouldn't hold weight, though meh, I'd like it to hold weight. That said, that commercial is awesome.
2) Screws up continuity to an extent. How would Pathos Verdes know that Atlas held up the Earth, if Kratos chained him there just 5 years ago? I find it hard to believe that he constructed said Temple on a Titan in 5 years, and that in much less than 5 years, numerous warriors tried to find it, and failed.
Then there's the fact that the Island of Creation is expressly stated to be at the Edge of the World.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He was holding it up to prevent it from potentially crushing him, and to separate it from the Underworld, as I pointed out in my post.
He's not holding up a Planet per se (Certainly not the Earth as we know it). Instead, he's holding up a Flat Model of the Earth, because that is how it is depicted in GoW, with the Island of Creation at the Edge.
So he isn't holding up anything near 6×10^24 kilos, but everything from the the Mantle-Crust upwards, which would be considerably smaller than 6x10^24 kilos, prolly about 1% depending on the view of where exactly the crust starts, which works out to about 6x10^22 kilos.
Also, Atlas has held Helios in one hand, who is the Sun in Greek Myth and GoW. Though it just might be that Helios does not really weigh 2x10^30 kilos. Would be ridiculous if he did. Then again, this is a video game, where all the laws of physics as we know it do not have to necessarily apply.1) Kratos had Leverage, and had used the Cestus to punch said Arena onto Hercules.
2) Olympian Stone is much much stronger than normal materials used in construction, like Granite. Onyx on Olympus is even stronger.
3) Kratos has what others have dubbed 'Super Inertia'. He doesn't move more than a few feet when people like Zeus punch him.
4) Lifting Strength would not necessarily be equal to punching 'strength'.
5) It's a video game based on Greek Myth. Everything in it is pretty much impossible in our world.
In the myth he held up the sky, which iirc is impossible physically regardless of how strong you are but since its a myth, and according to you this story is based strongly on the myths characters do not have to be physically capable of doing what modern physics (certainly not in a game) would ask for. I wonder if hes holding much up other than the grounds area.
You brought up a good example there of helios, yes hes the "sun" in myth, hes also just a man in a flaming chariot, just like how holding the world on your shoulders consists of simply being beneath what looks like a mantle if that. As I said before Gow and greek myth is based on conceptial ideas, not modern science or knowledge and the game is written from that perspective, nobody has world, or likely even continent strength.
1) That does not discount strength of Hercules, this is a question of weight where in Hercules should by these claims be able to simply flesh and launch Kratos into the atmosphere.
2) This is disputed by the fact Hercules beforehand was ripping chunks off, so its clearly not that strong.
3) If flaws in physics by a vast margin are enabled then why are strength feats of such ridiculous belief even being argued? this is a greek myth in a game.
4) Punching strength would be enough to go beyond what is shown, sextillions of tons<Whole body strength.
5) Of course it is, including deducing a strength feat from this portion of the game, its not really physically viable in or outside of the games rules.
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Well then these aren't perfect physics then. These are badass physics. I'm sorry that the video game designers aren't physics scientist that took every single little detail into account. They took what people back then generally know about the subject and used it to tell an impossible story about greek mythology. Christ almighty.If we were all as hard headed about this damn near no comic movie or game would have any useful feat to use.
And no I really don't. It's a statue of atlas holding up a SPHERICAL earth. Not a flat one, showing that the developers intended for the planet in the game to be depicted as the same as the one in real life, But infact, the commercial for the game also shows and spherical earth so that right there is two pieces of evidence that in God of war, atlas holds up the entire earth as opposed to just parts of Europe, Africa and Asia (I can tell that's what your going for)
Hercules mentions it in the book.
Both of those inconsistencies with Kratos happened in QTE's. And besides all that, the arena not exploding from Hercules and Kratos punching each other can be attributed to gameplay and technological limitations.
Yes well stop talking about how its an impressive feat when the story and features are shown from the point of view of mythology, where sextillions of tons are not even a figuire.
Hard headed? your telling me sextillions of tons of force are being thrown about by Atlas and Hercules when every showing, both gameplay or cinematic in the storyline have been at best hundreds of tones (maybe thousands/tens of thousands with Atlas tossing mountain sized chunks).
Until we actually see Atlas holding the planet on his shoulders, you do not have the place to say, especially when your argument is based on a statue. We see Atlas chained to what looks like area beneath the mantle. If all the GoW universe needs to hold the upper mantle or earth up from the underworld is a skyscraper sized Titan holding an area of said size and the strength to throw mountains (or indeed, Hercules with the strength beneath a platform on top of him) Then I am not argueing that, of course games do not have to follow physics, especially not based on a far off mythology. I simply suggest you should be unbias with this claim and take into account the feat your trying to use is under the same rules.
Originally posted by Burning thought
In the myth he held up the sky, which iirc is impossible physically regardless of how strong you are but since its a myth, and according to you this story is based strongly on the myths characters do not have to be physically capable of doing what modern physics (certainly not in a game) would ask for. I wonder if hes holding much up other than the grounds area.1) That does not discount strength of Hercules, this is a question of weight where in Hercules should by these claims be able to simply flesh and launch Kratos into the atmosphere.
2) This is disputed by the fact Hercules beforehand was ripping chunks off, so its clearly not that strong.
3) If flaws in physics by a vast margin are enabled then why are strength feats of such ridiculous belief even being argued? this is a greek myth in a game.
4) Punching strength would be enough to go beyond what is shown, sextillions of tons<Whole body strength.
5) Of course it is, including deducing a strength feat from this portion of the game, its not really physically viable in or outside of the games rules.
GoW changes certain details to better acquaint the games with the audience. Examples would be Heracles (Greek Myth Name) being called Hercules (Roman Name), since Western Audiences are more familiar with the name Hercules, rather than Heracles. Still doesn't change the fact that he's mostly the same character.
As for Atlas, he lifts the Sky in the Myth, but is commonly depicted lifting the Earth in Popular Culture, which is why he's lifting the Earth here. Still doesn't change the fact that he's mostly the same character here.
Helios is pretty much the Sun in Greek Myth. His disappearance/death causes the Sun to disappear, and his power is described as Planet-destroying.
1) Kratos himself being nearly as strong as Hercules is the reason why Hercules couldn't.
2) Except Hercules is already known to be able to lift trillions of tons, so no.
Said stone is also able to withstand tremendous force such as standing up to:
i) a Lightning Bolt that hurt Gaia
ii) a small building sized rock cut out from Mount Olympus (which itself is much stronger than normal rock) hurled at it by a random Titan
iii) repeated punches from Kratos and Hercules
iv) supporting a Titan from falling down from the mountain, when it grabbed a small building
v) supporting said Titan's weight when it stood in the general area
3) For the same reason that we argue strength and other feats in other games where all laws of Physics also do not apply. Same as it is in Comic Books, where high herald level characters can lift skyscraper sized buildings without it crumbling around them.
4) You mean what's shown in gameplay.
5) Neither are most feats in games, or fictional media that defy the laws of physics. Yet we still do it.
It is stated that he is lifting up the World. There are no ifs and buts about it, seeing as he is repeatedly stated, and shown, to be lifting the World. I don't believe that the World is as heavy as our Earth, as in GoW, the World that Atlas lifts is a Flat Earth (depicted as such in GoW 2, and in artwork as well), and only the area from the bottom of the mantle-Crust area up counts, and it includes the Crust itself, the Oceans, Mountains, and everything else found on the Surface of the Earth.
Hercules himself mentions the Labour where he has to find the Golden Apple, which is the Labour in which he lifts what Atlas was lifting, which is the World in GoW. Hercules lifting the World is confirmed in the canon novel. Hercules is not stated to have been depowered in any way after the lifting and prior to his fight with Kratos.
That's all there is to it, and all I'm going to say on the matter. You're just arguing against evidence at this point, and using the non-adherence to physical laws to debate against it, when pretty much all feats we argue are physically impossible to us.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
GoW changes certain details to better acquaint the games with the audience. Examples would be Heracles (Greek Myth Name) being called Hercules (Roman Name), since Western Audiences are more familiar with the name Hercules, rather than Heracles. Still doesn't change the fact that he's mostly the same character.
As for Atlas, he lifts the Sky in the Myth, but is commonly depicted lifting the Earth in Popular Culture, which is why he's lifting the Earth here. Still doesn't change the fact that he's mostly the same character here.Helios is pretty much the Sun in Greek Myth. His disappearance/death causes the Sun to disappear, and his power is described as Planet-destroying.
1) Kratos himself being nearly as strong as Hercules is the reason why Hercules couldn't.
2) Except Hercules is already known to be able to lift trillions of tons, so no.
Said stone is also able to withstand tremendous force such as standing up to:
i) a Lightning Bolt that hurt Gaia
ii) a small building sized rock cut out from Mount Olympus (which itself is much stronger than normal rock) hurled at it by a random Titan
iii) repeated punches from Kratos and Hercules
iv) supporting a Titan from falling down from the mountain, when it grabbed a small building
v) supporting said Titan's weight when it stood in the general area3) For the same reason that we argue strength and other feats in other games where all laws of Physics also do not apply. Same as it is in Comic Books, where high herald level characters can lift skyscraper sized buildings without it crumbling around them.
4) You mean what's shown in gameplay.
5) Neither are most feats in games, or fictional media that defy the laws of physics. Yet we still do it.
It is stated that he is lifting up the World. There are no ifs and buts about it, seeing as he is repeatedly stated, and shown, to be lifting the World. I don't believe that the World is as heavy as our Earth, as in GoW, the World that Atlas lifts is a Flat Earth (depicted as such in GoW 2, and in artwork as well), and only the area from the bottom of the mantle-Crust area up counts, and it includes the Crust itself, the Oceans, Mountains, and everything else found on the Surface of the Earth.
Hercules himself mentions the Labour where he has to find the Golden Apple, which is the Labour in which he lifts what Atlas was lifting, which is the World in GoW. Hercules lifting the World is confirmed in the canon novel. Hercules is not stated to have been depowered in any way after the lifting and prior to his fight with Kratos.That's all there is to it, and all I'm going to say on the matter. You're just arguing against evidence at this point, and using the non-adherence to physical laws to debate against it, when pretty much all feats we argue are physically impossible to us.
I dont really argue against what you said in those paragraphs. Point being, this is a fiction based on a mythic universe of non physical proportions, argueing over feats to give strength to characters purely because modern science knows how heavy the whole earth is, is redundant because greek myth did not even play on real physics (or had knowledge of it), a game would be even worse.
1) Strength was not the question there however, weight was. Kratos pushing down yet neither could break the floor, it actually took a lot of strikes before it cracked and they fell through yet earlier Hercules just plucks piecies of the environment off. You cannot sit there argueing all the sides of the strength argument that possitively effec the feat for you (making Herc/kratos stronger) are correctly in place but the floor is ignored as is other physics.
2) Based on what? your deductions from a mythology put in-game/novel format? your attributing the tons here.
I dont know what most of these examples are refering to, I am talking about this Arena and only this arena, its quite possible other areas around Olmypus are made of different things. None of your examples amount for trillions of tons however...
3) I dont know about comic books, I dont argue them but concerning games most of the feats are completly different to world lifting and more importantly, the characters typically display said power more consistently, their feats are not deduced by the audiance as much as this one.
4) Gameplay? no, cutscenes as well, most attacks and feats are scripted attacks anyway.
5) Your taking a hypocrtical approach, your more than ready to claim Kratos can ignore some of these laws but when it comes to weight, especially ridiculous weights like sextillions of tons that would make no sense in his universe and the consistent actions he has shown (and other characters for that matter) you readily accept their the most accurate values.
The "world" from a Greek mythology point of view, no planet is shown. Can you show anything from this novel? And Hercules mensions the golden apple but not lifting up the planet? does not make sense at all, it leads me to belive that either this book is not canon OR, it retcons previous material assuming its new OR as I suspect, the whole "world" is being exaggerated by the fans for the sake of the feat, when the whole game displays in cutscenes and otherwise feats nothing alike to world moving and when you take into account this is a greek myth, not realism argueing this is pointless.
Whos argueing against evidence? technically so are you, only were talking games and almost everything in the games depicts Hercules at a few hundreds of tons. Theres physically impossible like throiwng a few hundred tons in an awkward manner, and then theres a sixtillion tonner not able to push a platform and a man off his body, only able to break small piecies and whos exertions of strength are no more obvious than a few tons. Same with Atlas. A further error that anyone who claims such high strength feats off hand that I am not making due to the nature of my argument is that these are your figuires and those of modern science, not a fictional making of an old mythology that is known for fanciful renditions. The whole "adhere to physica laws" thing works both ways, weight may not be used the same in this instance for example, or inded the worlds mass (or even the continents).
Shut up BT.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I ****ing hate God Of War.Or anything that can't get history right really. Like Troy.
The Legend of Troy is a myth iirc. I mean, it has gods fighting over an apple and a dude invincible except for his ankle.
Historical accuracy is not that big a deal imo.
Originally posted by Burning thought
In the myth he held up the sky, which iirc is impossible physically regardless of how strong you are but since its a myth, and according to you this story is based strongly on the myths characters do not have to be physically capable of doing what modern physics (certainly not in a game) would ask for. I wonder if hes holding much up other than the grounds area.
In the Myth the Sky and the Earth are living beings: Gaia and Uranus. Presumably he holds up the latter. Uranus is the son and husband of Gaia and so they must be seperated to prevent their um, 'union'. Thats where Mr Muscles comes in.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Legend of Troy is a myth iirc. I mean, it has gods fighting over an apple and a dude invincible except for his ankle.Historical accuracy is not that big a deal imo.
Myths usually have some substance to them. 😛
I don't mind the God parts being taken out but then we get lines that make me giggle like this:
"Your story will be written down through the ages!" (Paraphrased)
Written language hasn't been created for the Greeks so she should have confused the hell out of Achilles.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Shut up BT.The Legend of Troy is a myth iirc. I mean, it has gods fighting over an apple and a dude invincible except for his ankle.
Historical accuracy is not that big a deal imo.
In the Myth the Sky and the Earth are living beings: Gaia and Uranus. Presumably he holds up the latter. Uranus is the son and husband of Gaia and so they must be seperated to prevent their um, 'union'. Thats where Mr Muscles comes in.
It was his heel, as far as I know.
I wonder why they chose his heel. Why not his left pinky or nipple? mmm
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Myths usually have some substance to them. 😛I don't mind the God parts being taken out but then we get lines that make me giggle like this:
"Your story will be written down through the ages!" (Paraphrased)
Written language hasn't been created for the Greeks so she should have confused the hell out of Achilles.
The Greeks have a myth where Aphrodite was born after a penis was cut off. I wonder what substance that has...😛
Your favourite Trojan War related character?(s) Mine are Diomedes & Odysseus.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The Greeks have a myth where Aphrodite was born after a penis was cut off. I wonder what substance that has...😛Your favourite Trojan War related character?(s) Mine are Diomedes & Odysseus.
Hurhurhur. 😛
Achilles because he reminds me of Spiderman. And Odysseus. Aeneas is awesome too. =D
Originally posted by quanchi112
How could anyone hate the gow ? That post kinda creeped me out.
Very easily actually. Which is not to say they're bad games of course, just not my particular cup of tea.