Steve Rogers Vs Slade Wilson

Originally posted by namorsubby
Cap has more strength feats due to a much longer history, many more appearances, and much more emphasis on brawn in contrast with Slade's potrayal of calculating finesse and precision. His consistent strength level as potrayed in feats however, is not superior. Anyone can cite 1 or 2 high end feats to try to falsly convey such an opinion. Fact it, cap is not even stronger than bruce according to feats, but Slade obviously is according to their several encounters.

Fact is Slade is not stronger then Daredevil/Kazar according to there feats. And Cap is stronger then they are as DD has admitted as much and Kazar isn't at the next step in human evolution like Steve enjoys. See I'll just use your type of biased logic as well.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Hmm not sure what im misinterpreting you said you went feat for feat matching everything that was put up about cap and you didn't.

The fact that every time someone disagrees with you they are automatically biased towards cap is the only argument you seem to have. And fyi i don't even like Cap i am completely unbiased in this match-up i don't like either of them.

You haven't provided anything even close to proof that DS is better than cap in anyway, Your idea of presenting proof is telling someone to go look in a respect thread.

No i don't pretend that cap has every conceivable advantage over DS and neither do most of the people who post in this thread infact most of the people give DS his credit where it is do.

And you want me to believe DS can do half the shit he does? Double standard.

You make it easy when you don't provide any kind of proof to the contrary, and don't say look in his respect thread cause it's not my job to provide scans for you or anyone else's you made the thred with the intent to debate for slade so do it.

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Yeah thanos-prime knows whats up. I actually view both Cap/Slade as equals and the advantages that both sides posses are not superior or much better to the other but the advantage is there none the less.

But since Namor-Subby is pretty biased I'm just gonna match more of his game below. Here goes.

So you truthfully think Slade is stronger then Captain America? You are so illogical most of what you say about Slade doesn't even make sense and then you try to hide behind another character like Batman to serve a purpose and then it just makes you look worse in the end. By saying silly things that Batman is as strong as Steve.

But since you love using Batman as a comparison. Here Slade matching Bruce who is a non-enhanced human in strength. As Slade couldn't even out muscle him.

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=Deathstroke07page021.jpg

While Cap has done this too true blue superhumans and then some.

In some contest of strength Cap strength held at bay the superhuman 50's Cap.
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1802/captainamerica15605mm6.jpg

Disguised as Crossbones he held of the superhuman Maddog.
Cap holding off Maddog.
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http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/751/captainamerica41117fa5.jpg

Held off the superhuman arms of Lady Octopus.
Cap holding the strong arms of Lady Octopus.
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Held down a berserk Wolverine against his will(who's stronger then Slade)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5554/captainamericav1404ocd1.jpg
and another
Again holds Logan's arms against him as Logan couldn't muscle out.
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/940/wolverineorigins04page1.jpg
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Even Ironman is astonished by his strength and he has help to boot.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7100/avengersv100903ve6.jpg

Your logic is so sound......not.

I bet next he'll say Batman matching Slade in strength is PIS/CIS or a low strength feat for Slade.

Or he'll say something even sillier that Batman matching Slade in that strength contest means Batman is stronger then Cap.....LOL.

Just wait for it.

I can't believe this thread has gone on for as long as it has. Namor-Subby is being willfully ignorant here.

A casual glance through Cap's respect thread or a read through even a couple of his comics shows that while marvel's stance is that he's "the peak of human potential" his actual feats are well within the superhuman range.

In the respect thread alone:

-Cap running at 60mph while carrying someone else
-Jumping UP 2+ stories unassisted to a roof of a building
-Throwing his shield fast enough to overtake a missile in flight and cutting through it
-tearing apart steel chains with his bare hands
-Throwing Terrax, who weighs 2,750 lbs.

Yes, 2,750 lbs. By that feat alone Cap by definition has the strength level of 18.5 average men. (2,750 divided by about 150lbs =18.5).

but hell, the strength of 20 (average) men isn't even 2 tons (4000 lbs). Cap routinely beats the hell out of opponents in that strength range.

Spider Man during civil war had to struggle to beat him (doing so only with the iron spider arms) and he's class 10= that's 20,000 pounds.

US Agent got humiliated on a regular basis. Also Class 10 AND trained in cap's style on top of it.

Wolverine has strength feats on the same level and Cap has beaten him as well.

Hell, there's even scans of him humilating thunderstrike, throwing him around like a rag doll while sparring and THAT guy was in the class 60-80 range.

Deathstroke having the strength of 10 or 20 men is absolutely meaningless here. That's not an advantage over cap at ALL.

A lot of posters interpret the SSS putting cap at "the peak of human potential" to mean it's possible to hit his levels by training (i.e. batman) but that's not the case at all.

Which is funny since Cap has statements of being as strong as 10 as well and another of it being half a platoon of men. But of course the anit-Cap fans choose to not acknowledge them, on the manner that they do for Slade.

How about a Battlezone? Slade vs Cap: Strength feats.

That would be much more interesting then the Kallark/Thor one.

The thing that you guys simply refuse to grasp or acknowledge is that even without strength slade has a clear advantage overall physically. You guys have been simply ignoring every other physical category because of that simply fact. HF, reflexes, senses, brain function. Even if their strength is comparable slade still has the edge physically. I acknowledge caps skill advantage simply for the fact that i know he has one. Its plain crazy how you guys refuse to budge even concerning the most obvious and clear advantages. Cap's HF is comparable? He has comparable reflex feats/statements? Senses? Brain function? No.

namorsubby is owning everybody here nice job

after checking out deathstrokes respect thread, I think he takes it..always hard to argue against more popular characters though

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Which is funny since Cap has statements of being as strong as 10 as well and another of it being half a platoon of men. But of course the anit-Cap fans choose to not acknowledge them, on the manner that they do for Slade.

Originally posted by namorsubby
The thing that you guys simply refuse to grasp or acknowledge is that even without strength slade has a clear advantage overall physically. You guys have been simply ignoring every other physical category because of that simply fact. HF, reflexes, senses, brain function. Even if their strength is comparable slade still has the edge physically. I acknowledge caps skill advantage simply for the fact that i know he has one. Its plain crazy how you guys refuse to budge even concerning the most obvious and clear advantages. Cap's HF is comparable? He has comparable reflex feats/statements? Senses? Brain function? No.

Cap has enhanced reflexes, as has been pointed out numerous times. I believe someone referenced the scan (several times) where cap claims he can dodge bullets because he literally "sees faster" than normal humans are able to. Cap is operating in bullet time.

There's a scan that has Cap dodging out a gauntlet of multiple lasers- in zero gravity.

Another where he's moving so fast that daredevil is only able to perceive him as "a breeze".

Another that has him throwing his shield, extinguishing a flame, ricocheting it off several surfaces and re-lighting that flame again all in one throw.

Deathstroke does not have an agility/reflex advantage over captain america, period.

As for healing factor- Deathstroke's healing factor is probably better, but he's not wolverine- nowhere close. That would be the wolverine Who cap has KO'ed and Beaten, btw. It's not significant enough to keep him from being KOed in a forum fight with Cap.

and as for senses: Cap has beaten daredevil senseless many, many times. It's concrete fact that Cap is his superior, yet DD's superior senses can't overcome cap's physical advantage. And no one in their right mind is going to claim that deathstroke's senses are better than daredevil's.

Bottom line here is that you're underrating Cap. There IS no strength advantage here for Deathstroke, and Cap is the more highly skilled opponent. He's beaten more skilled opponents with superior senses (daredevil) AND superior senses AND a healing factor (wolverine.)

This fight is closer than you would like to portray it. It's not a stomp for either combatant.

His reflexes are stated higher and his reflex feats are much better, period.

There's simply no arguement to support that caps hf is anywhere near slade's.....anyone with half a brain can see slade has far better and more prevelent healing feats.

Not only his senses, but his brain is superior. People act as if this holds no relevance to this match at all, but theyre wrong.

Im taking slade over cap here because imo his physical edge is more than enough to compensate for his slight skill disadvantage. I also believe slade is more controlled, precise, and strategic. He trounced bats casually in several instances and is clearly physcially superior as shown in their encounters. Theres simply no evidence to suggest cap could do the same, much less even better. My view isnt changing because ive seen nothing or heard nothing new since i started this arguement way way back. Those with a difference of opinion can call me biased, ignorant, or whatever else they wish, but the fact is, i represent the majority here. Im actually very susprised that i do, as cap is such a high profile character.

There was WW2 war footage that a soldier crashed landed on an island was watching that had Captain America noticing a torpedo coming at his ship, diving into the ocean, blocking it with his shield (altering the path)... and then he kicking the ****ing thing back at the boat that fired it. Now it is of course blatant PIS that normally shouldn't be brought up, but I mention it now to illustrate a point. Batman has a apparently become the measuring stick in this thread, since Slade lacks any concrete evidence of his supposed super strength, well guess what? Captain America has SIGNIFICANTLY better strength feats than Batman. Deathstroke doesn't have any strength feats, all we really have some anecdotal evidence that he is "as strong as 20 men." Captain America as the exact same anecdotal evidence AND concrete proof of his strength to go with it. Personally I - and many others - like to assume that Captain America and Deathstroke are physically equal, but make no mistake, that is me giving Deathstroke the benefit of the doubt based on anecdotal evidence and hearsay from his peers. There is little in the way of actually concrete proof that he is on par with Captain America physically. Your are being thrown a bone here, why you think pushing the issue is a good idea is beyond me.

I have to make something clear to everyone.

Im never one to call another poster biased or ignorant because they have an opposing opinion. I do however give that distinction to posters who simply cant acknowledge any advantage concerning the character they oppose, no matter how obvious. Posters who say anyone who doesnt pick their character is ignorant and/or biased. Posters who act like everyone should realize how clear the matdch choice is, like theres no other way to interpret it except their own. Im through arguing with those few.and they are few........even though according to them everyone who knows anything is on their side.lol

Slade ftw.

This isn't X-Men: Schisim. There aren't two equally valid sides. Any character who has ever had trouble with Nightwing in h2h, can't beat Captain America. It's pretty cut and dry. 😎

Cap would have trouble with Batman as well. No contest.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Cap would have trouble with Batman as well. No contest.

The only trouble Captain America would have with Batman is figuring out what to do with his mangled body after the fight was over. 😎

❌ come on, srank. 🙁

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
This isn't X-Men: Schisim. There aren't two equally valid sides. Any character who has ever had trouble with Nightwing in h2h, can't beat Captain America. It's pretty cut and dry. 😎