"Not thta impressive."
Breaking a square meter slab of marble < Breaking right through a 2 square meter slab of wall or a weaker stone.
The compression force of most rocks is high, UTS is less but still decent, not as great impact wise.
And its like Scream said.. and what I said just before, that would mean that a 6e7N Link could throw a 5 kg sword at 12,000,000 m/s, Mach 35,265. Newtons and Joules can be converted to gauge a characters strength, not reversed to gauge speed. Only a speed feat for it can prove that.
Of course it would, transfer of force to a light object. A train moving at 10mph is not equel to intentially launching an light object with something like 1.8 million newtons.
Also I like how your bringing up really terrible analogies, from using sand as a weapon to trains hitting swords? whos tested these things? ime using the base fundamentals of finding acceleration, or possible accleration and A=F/M, I have the force and mass, and therefore get my acceleration. You bringing up weird analogies cant change the math.
Originally posted by BloodRain
"Not thta impressive."Breaking a square meter slab of marble < Breaking right through a 2 square meter slab of wall or a weaker stone.
The compression force of most rocks is high, UTS is less but still decent, not as great impact wise.
And its like Scream said.. and what I said just before, that would mean that a 6e7N Link could throw a 5 kg sword at 12,000,000 m/s, Mach 35,265. Newtons and Joules can be converted to gauge a characters strength, not reversed to gauge speed. Only a speed feat for it can prove that.
Speed is a combination of force and mass though, so what are you actually saying here? that physics is fine to calculate in some areas but not in others?
Is this just suseptable to your whim? no real logical basis?
I sometimes wish I'd never even tried to bring math to games v.s. It only works when applied reasonably. Quantify feats, don't invent new ones.
Raziel fits entire hand in Kain's chest, calculate claw tip only strike with impossibly small surface area and an inflated number for force, use it as durability. Kain is immune to Raziel's claw slashes! ...Wait.
But yeah, stone is brittle, your math is wrong, move along. 😬
Oh please, you invented new ones from the beginning. I recall you claiming link could kill people just by tossing rocks with his strength or fireing his arrows with ridculous force. At least ime applying the logic.
er? wut? not sure how thats relevent, people far better at putting together math or a point have proven this stuff, your math has not been so proven and your bias and vested interests in such sort of ruin the belief you can simply be taken at face value.
lol, I like how your argument or more, claim is "stone is brittle", maybe we should use wood as our only structural material if stone is so weak then...oh wait. You dont have an argument for this, nor for A=F/M being wrong either.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I sometimes wish I'd never even tried to bring math to games v.s. It only works when applied reasonably. Quantify feats, don't invent new ones.
I like how anyone thought it could be a good idea. As if the game creators could possibly have known how....seriously these things are taken, there would be dangerous levels of face-palmage.
In the words of Chris Metzen
"Okay, if you're going to try to work out every little detail of someones power you might want to get out more. If you want to know how strong a character is, just get a feel of the vibe, man."
Or something similar.
I recall you claiming link could kill people just by tossing rocks with his strength or fireing his arrows with ridculous force. At least ime applying the logic.
Wait what?
Link's actually thrown rocks and shot arrows with ridiculous force before. Point me. Also, I grew out of "Link throws ____ item" a long time ago. Bow is much more effective, anyway.
You claimed he could toss a pebble to kill someone, or fire an arrow using the same strength he tossed pillars, theres no logic there or logic that these things can even take the force or energy to begin with, especially when according to you "stone is brittle". Fact is, tossing a sword is far more viable, enchanted metal>rock.
*sigh*
DatGai lifting 200 kg at 2m/s = 400 N
1 kg moving at 400 m/s = 400 N
Can DatGai throw 1 kg at over Mach 1?
Newtons and Joules is /calced/ from mass and speed, but in the end force is more related to mass than speed. IE 100m/s has no mass nor force as speed without mass is nothing. Though 100kg does create force even if stationary due to gravity.
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Nah Scream, when it was just "get weight, get speed, lets go" it was fine.. its everything else thats making it into something else.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThere's a reason I grew out of that.
You claimed he could toss a pebble to kill someone, or fire an arrow using the same strength he tossed pillars, theres no logic there or logic that these things can even take the force or energy to begin with, especially when according to you "stone is brittle". Fact is, tossing a sword is far more viable, enchanted metal>rock.
Also, Link does have the striking speed for throwing shit to at least be a considered argument, Kain doesn't.
The facts:
Stone is brittle and it took less effort to crack marble than you like to admit.
people far better at putting together math or a point have proven this stuff, your math has not been so proven and your bias and vested interests in such sort of ruin the belief you can simply be taken at face value.
Except BR's numbers on Kain agree with mine, and we've both had to scratch our heads at how you took 7x the force, already wrong, and got many more times the pressure. Your numbers are wrong, CC saw it, I saw it, BR sees it.
You might not like me, but don't forget who brought math to Games v.s., you've personally complimented me on my capability at it, too... When it served your purpose.
Nah Scream, when it was just "get weight, get speed, lets go" it was fine.. its everything else thats making it into something else.I agree, I was pointing out that at least when I did it it was based on something. So his claim of 'at least I'm using logic!' was misplaced.
Seriously though, I can support the ****ing arrows. 😎
Well yes statistically speaking assuming "Datgai" is a videogame character, as long as the force is the same, using the full force on a small object should get better results. Ime not going to be able toss a bowling ball or a heavy weight as far as a small rubber ball, not even close. Its a common interaction in physics to use less or more force on heavier/ligher objects. By your logic, Kratos can no more toss a slab of stone further or fater than he can toss a pebble.
I dont know about joules, ime only using force, newtons atm. Force acclerates objects, that gives you speed. Also whats this sentence supposed to counter exactly? youve yet to point out why A=F/M is wrong....
Also, its probably best to see if Dadumon or Morridini come and shed some light no this if they know it. I recall last time you, scream and others tried to call out something I stated it turned out I was only wrong in the fact Kain was more durable than I belived.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There's a reason I grew out of that.Also, Link does have the striking speed for throwing shit to at least be a considered argument, Kain doesn't.
The facts:
Stone is brittle and it took less effort to crack marble than you like to admit.
Except BR's numbers on Kain agree with mine, and we've both had to scratch our heads at how you took 7x the force, already wrong, and got many more times the pressure. Your numbers are wrong, CC saw it, I saw it, BR sees it.
You might not like me, but don't forget who brought math to Games v.s., you've personally complimented me on my capability at it, too... When it served your purpose.
I agree, I was pointing out that at least when I did it it was based on something. So his claim of 'at least I'm using logic!' was misplaced.
Seriously though, I can support the ****ing arrows. 😎
Also, CC brought up figuires on pillar lifting and compared it to pressure at a small SA as if it was the same calulation, again, ignorance of what your talking about.
When it served my purposes, and what happened? both BR and I were using joules to try and calculate pressure when thats not possible, Dadumon and Morridini corrected this and gave better feats respectfully.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So his claim of 'at least I'm using logic!' was misplaced.
And no, ime using logic based on the calculation of throwing or moving a enchanted metal blade, you claimed his bow, random pebbles and all knids of crazy things that made no sense on many levels. Your still doing it when you brought up Tking piecies of sand....I mean, you dont think your claims through.
And no, ime using logic based on the calculation of throwing or moving a enchanted metal blade, you claimed his bow, random pebbles and all knids of crazy things that made no sense on many levels.I never claimed tiny pebbles, the bow makes perfect sense and is supported by canon, kthnx, unlike your ridiculous attempts at calcs-in-lieux-of-feats that result in things that actively go against the canon of the series you support.
The most ridiculous thing I ever claimed was an apple, and I did that because I was annoyed with the person I was debating with.
No, its never supported by canon. Never can you prove Link used all his GG strength on his bow to fire arrows also, theres nothing that goes outside the canon of the series, although thats a funny claim who things the guy whos more or less human consistently in each LoZ game who fights things on a low power scale consistently like goblins and other crude things of non descript apprently has a consistent gigajoule strength that you belvie fits in his verse? dont be an obvious hypocrite....
You still claimed it, pebbles and such are just as bad, as is the bow. Infact iirc the bow in OoT is wood or something? not some special metal....
No, its never supported by canon. Never can you prove Link used all his GG strength on his bow to fire arrows also, theres nothing that goes outside the canon of the series, although thats a funny claim who things the guy whos more or less human consistently in each LoZ game who fights things on a low power scale consistently like goblins and other crude things of non descript apprently has a consistent gigajoule strength.Yes, nevermind all those giant ****ing monsters. 😐 haermm Nice, and Kain fighting and being wounded by humans is what?
You still claimed it, pebbles and such are just as bad, as is the bow. Infact iirc the bow in OoT is wood or something? not some special metal....
I never claimed pebbles, ever. And the bow has feats.
Yeah, it's wooden, and it's also sat in a treasure chest for centuries, and then does it again after Link uses it, and shoots arrows ridiculous distances, on one occasion out of the atmosphere, and it's a 'fairy bow', IE, magic. Oh, and then in WW it shoots through a cyclone created by a deity, because **** yeah. And in TP it can fire an arrow a half mile accurately. Because **** yeah.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes, nevermind all those giant ****ing monsters. 😐 haermm Nice, and Kain fighting and being wounded by humans is what?Yeah, it's wooden, and it's also sat in a treasure chest for centuries, and then does it again after Link uses it, and shoots arrows ridiculous distances, on one occasion out of the atmosphere, and it's a 'fairy bow', IE, magic.
Yes giant monsters automatically means gigajoule strength is evident and makes sense in the verse? This is why your ignorant of the source, Kain was never canonically wounded by humans. Humans who would no doubt cleanse all those goblins as well tbh.
So it has no real feats at all tbh of being able to survive any special pressures. Yet you assumed Link grasping it with his GG's would work out fine? thats a fine claim 🙄 its a lump of wood with some magical properties that you assume are whatever you feel like it at the time? sounds like a lot of your LoZ claims tbh.
Also check your source, the fairy bow is not in those games, the heroes bow is. That is also, evidently made of wood, with some metal, seemingly iron finish. From these facts alone, we know the pressure Link uses the bow with cant be more than required to snack wood...
The answer is no, DatGai is a human and can not throw things at supersonic speeds.
"IE 100m/s has no mass nor force as speed without mass is nothing. Though 100kg does create force even if stationary due to gravity." + You can't move faster than you can move.
You can't use a strength/destruction feat to give someone a speed feat far above their actual speed 😬 Do you realize how much me and anyone else can exploit this to make characters speedsters? Really think Screamy would turn down a Mach 35,000 [4% SoL] Link attack speed if this was real? Think Id turn down Dante throwing a sword at Mach 23,510,000? [latter would be 27x FTL 😐]
people far better at putting together math or a point have proven this stuff, your math has not been so proven and your bias and vested interests in such sort of ruin the belief you can simply be taken at face value.
You might not like me, but don't forget who brought math to Games v.s., you've personally complimented me on my capability at it, too... When it served your purpose.