Game Math.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The answer is no, DatGai is a human and can not throw things at supersonic speeds.

"IE 100m/s has no mass nor force as speed without mass is nothing. Though 100kg does create force even if stationary due to gravity." + You can't move faster than you can move.

You can't use a strength/destruction feat to give someone a speed feat far above their actual speed 😬 Do you realize how much me and anyone else can exploit this to make characters speedsters? Really think Screamy would turn down a Mach 35,000 [4% SoL] Link attack speed if this was real? Think Id turn down Dante throwing a sword at Mach 23,510,000? [latter would be 27x FTL 😐]

BT, stop saying everyone is bias with bad math skills.

^One of the two reasons I joined KMC, some Dante thread and Scream mathing things. mmm

As soon as you said "human", you brought in a huge host of biomechanical reasons, mostly the source of human strength which is mostly physical and certainly not supernatural processes. Humans cant just generate force like Kratos, Kain, raziel or Dante can. Oh and a human can pitch a ball at 100 mph, comparatively, what ime saying for Kain adds up, his vast strength increase vs an object that has no major weight increase. But your going o ignore this anyway...

Also wtf, "you cant move faster than you can move", whats that got to do with creating force? Humans can accelerate things through force, like I said bouncy balls, light objects to far far higher speeds than humans can. Also the mainpulation of certain objects, like a whip by a human can make supersonic booms.

Thats not a speed feat for Kain though, its a strength feat, just not used to strike but to throw. Also what are you talking about? This is not attack speed, this is acclerating a thrown object.

People are bias, as for the math, theres only one person whos proven that their calculations on their own supported character and thats me, everyone else calculates their own feats.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You mean...

[b]the bow used by the hero!? ZOMG! Wait... [/B]

Does it say the previous hero was link, and this is the fairy bow specfically? yes or no? if yes, show me.

theres only one person whos proven that their calculations on their own supported character and thats me

Your math's been shown to be wrong and contradict the canon, so, cool, keep toting that around with you.

More baseless claims, everything you mathed for Link contradcicts the canon. Links basis in pretty much all his games is to calculate puzzles, usually by simple means like finding keys or moving piecies and running around with a shield, the devs thinkign a wooden shield is more than enough protection in most of the games to be worth it for link, Links pretty much a human with a lot of tools and thats been the basis of LoZ from the beginning, not that hes some sort of hulk who could level mountain ranges with his strength. Your claims spit in the face of the entire series logic, wheras mine do not for Kain who is an immortal vampire who fights immortal enemies.

The arms acceleration to throw = acceleration strike.

So Screme, BT's cool with giving us a relativistic Link and FTL Dante.. take it and run mhmm

theres only one person whos proven that their calculations on their own supported character and thats me

😕

Originally posted by BloodRain
The arms acceleration to throw = acceleration strike.

So Screme, BT's cool with giving us a relativistic Link and FTL Dante.. take it and run mhmm

CC posted his and was proven right. Scream posted his and was proven right. I posted mine and was proven right. Scene posted his and was proven right.

😕

Its not about the arms acceleation, its about the force you can put into the object your trying to accelerate. You dont have to move fast to throw far or hard, you use strength.

Also, I dont mind you claiming Dante can toss his sword at ridiculous speeds, afterall he does it in DMC 3 kinda, although it hits supersonic from a bullet shot.

Wheres the "proven right" part exactly again? the part where you just state the same old? etc etc? and not actually prove anything....

Who other than yourself has gone through your DMC calculations yet? who has agreed with them all? anyone unbias on the forums? no.....what about anyone elses math other than mine? nope....just people with vested interests. Also "CC posted his", CC had no math, if you read his post you would realise he used the pillar feats pressure and the final claw tip pressure to claim just because the claw tip has much higher pressure it has to be in error.

Also its funny when I weed out all the actual arguments, nothing but base statements are left behind lol, its good to know how to work KMC's people.

Son, this only became an argument because you didnt like us saying what we think 😬 why would I really want to argue this? In a maths thread no less...

We use the same force to throw as to strike.

Urm... Thanks for the FTL Dante..?

All those people have had any calc feat theyve made checked by members of the forum. Only exception being lower Dante feats from me that done really need looking into due to better ones. Every feat has had one or two other persons checking it. When did I mention CC's recent wall of text....?

And dear lord youre defensive .____.

Links basis in pretty much all his games is to calculate puzzles,

You used "puzzles" to dismiss Raziel's strength not being sufficient to tear down doors, and yet Link's puzzles reinforce that he's not? Huh. Odd. Biased, actually.

Wait, there's a difference! We have cutscenes of Kain and Raziel being impeded by such shit. Oh, and Link's strength showings are consistent in their super-humanity. Oh, and I never claimed Link could chill in the sun, either. Despite him having a better claim to being able to do so, actually. mmm

So Screme, BT's cool with giving us a relativistic Link

Dat BT gai. Considering consequences isn't his strength, eh?

Okay guys, enough.

BT, this is a thread for mathing things. Not for you to ***** about math results you don't like.

Everyone else, don't rise to his bait. 😬

yeaaahh anyway.

Ill wait for Dadumon and Morridini and see if they can shed any light on what I initially bumped this thread to ask before I was attacked.

Attacked..... Damn bait.

Anyhow, if SumGai can slow time down by half his punch would appear to be twice as fast. Would the force come from his real speed or the speed he appears to be at to everyone else?
Personally believe its the first option.

Okay, I read through the thread, watched the videos, and have come to a conclusion:

I have no idea how the **** we are supposed to use math at all for that TK "force push". We don't know what kind of stone that support thingie is made of (this is important because stone can range in "strength" from "weakass" to "stronger than steel"😉. Additionally, if we assume marble, how thick is it? It's not pulverized. We know it's a calculation based on compression strength (not tensile). The area acted about WOULD be measured in pascals. Additionally, the area acted upon would not be a square meter. Much closer to 0.11m ^2 (or about the area of a square whose sides are .333 meters). I say this because the dude's ass was the thing that made the first impact and it also cause the initial break (because subsequent breaks would be almost useless due to the massive amounts of cleavages being created but the ass (lololololol)).

On top of that, this is a complex system meaning there are multiple forces acting upon it.

Here are just some of the forces acting upon it:

1. The compression (elasticity) of Raziel's ass cheeks would negate some of the force of the system.

2. Raziel is pushed in an arc. This means that gravity would contribute to Raziel's fall (and maybe increase the force of impact making it more difficult to gauge the TK push).

3. The "force push" by Kain is magical. We cannot use it to be universal against all objects. What if the magical force push he does ALWAYS accelerates any object to the same maximum velocity? Then it becomes meaningless in this discussion.

4. The compression strenght of a "pieced together" marble build will have segments making it easier to "compress" to failure.

5. Raziel's clothing would also absorb some of the impact.

6. Even the air would influence this force push feat (but only by a little).

7. The impact is the combination of compression and bifurcation buckling measures (all compression but not quite the same types of measures that real physicists do on labs) because the material under that "support column beam thingy" is almost assuredly a combination of materials. That means that there could be a different material (sometimes wood) underneath the marble "covering" on that support structure. It would make the marble easier to bifurcate in the center (where it looks like the impact occurred) causing any calculations to be automatically thrown off (because wood is "softer" under compression tests.)

And there are probably others that I am missing.

So this is one particular feat I am not comfortable with enough to make an estimate: it's too complicated to make it reasonable to undertake for just versus discussions. I'm sure there is a materials physicist that could give us an estimate but I'll leave you guys with this:

It's probably between 5-15 MPa. Why? It's an estimate...and it would appear that marble is stronger to compression forces than sandstone.

I am still forever grateful to Ares for his help with that game math at the beginning of the thread. Thank goodness for Gauss. 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeaaahh anyway.

Ill wait for Dadumon and Morridini and see if they can shed any light on what I initially bumped this thread to ask before I was attacked.

You seriously need to change your attitude and drop your martyr complex. People not agreeing with you is not you being attacked. You weren't attacked at all. Knock it off. You've been told this before, and I'm getting sick of having to tell you this.

Originally posted by Peach
You seriously need to change your attitude and drop your martyr complex. People not agreeing with you is not you being attacked. You weren't attacked at all. Knock it off. You've been told this before, and I'm getting sick of having to tell you this.

If ime the only enemy or problem and nobody else is at fault then why am I not banned? It would seem a logical solution no?

Also why am I the only one to be told? I recall being reported in one thread for disagreeing with someone yet nobody else is told.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, I read through the thread, watched the videos, and have come to a conclusion:

I have no idea how the **** we are supposed to use math at all for that TK "force push". We don't know what kind of stone that support thingie is made of (this is important because stone can range in "strength" from "weakass" to "stronger than steel"😉. Additionally, if we assume marble, how thick is it? It's not pulverized. We know it's a calculation based on compression strength (not tensile). The area acted about WOULD be measured in pascals. Additionally, the area acted upon would not be a square meter. Much closer to 0.11m ^2 (or about the area of a square whose sides are .333 meters). I say this because the dude's ass was the thing that made the first impact and it also cause the initial break (because subsequent breaks would be almost useless due to the massive amounts of cleavages being created but the ass (lololololol)).

On top of that, this is a complex system meaning there are multiple forces acting upon it.

Here are just some of the forces acting upon it:

1. The compression (elasticity) of Raziel's ass cheeks would negate some of the force of the system.

2. Raziel is pushed in an arc. This means that gravity would contribute to Raziel's fall (and maybe increase the force of impact making it more difficult to gauge the TK push).

3. The "force push" by Kain is magical. We cannot use it to be universal against all objects. What if the magical force push he does ALWAYS accelerates any object to the same maximum velocity? Then it becomes meaningless in this discussion.

4. The compression strenght of a "pieced together" marble build will have segments making it easier to "compress" to failure.

5. Raziel's clothing would also absorb some of the impact.

6. Even the air would influence this force push feat (but only by a little).

7. The impact is the combination of compression and bifurcation buckling measures (all compression but not quite the same types of measures that real physicists do on labs) because the material under that "support column beam thingy" is almost assuredly a combination of materials. That means that there could be a different material (sometimes wood) underneath the marble "covering" on that support structure. It would make the marble easier to bifurcate in the center (where it looks like the impact occurred) causing any calculations to be automatically thrown off (because wood is "softer" under compression tests.)

And there are probably others that I am missing.

So this is one particular feat I am not comfortable with enough to make an estimate: it's too complicated to make it reasonable to undertake for just versus discussions. I'm sure there is a materials physicist that could give us an estimate but I'll leave you guys with this:

It's probably between 5-15 MPa. Why? It's an estimate...and it would appear that marble is stronger to compression forces than sandstone.

So you would say around 5-15 MPa then was required? not necesserily different than my figuire that i first thought.

Also most TK creates X amount of force on an object, Kain tosses tihngs at different speeds ,like he tosses a light staff from a "wizard" for want of a better word faster than he did the wizard himself, he tosses Raziel with this TK a bit quicker than that.

But assuming theres enough force to create 5-15 MPa from launching something, then there should be enough force arguably to launch something as light as a sword (2kg) far faster, taking into account just the force itself?

Am i wrong to calculate it as Accleration=Force/mass?

Originally posted by Burning thought
If ime the only enemy or problem and nobody else is at fault then why am I not banned? It would seem a logical solution no?

BT, shut up. You are just digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole, and you are low on chances here, as you've been banned multiple times already.

This is not up for discussion. Drop it, drop the attitude, and leave it. Bring it up again in this thread (or any thread, for that matter) and you will be banned.

I prefer to be banned by moderators than consistently bullied. So go ahead, it will according to your own rules rather than the forums make the only disturbance it seems by your calcluation (me) vanish.

My distrubance seems to be severe, because apprently BT being snide in a thread according to GK gets all this and threats of perm ban.

Wheras someone else can give a 6 page report filled full of attacks, direct, personal or otherwise against me and just get a meager slap o nthe wrist by comparison.

You may as well do what you "want" to do and give us all a break. Its not like I do much here anyway, and the arguments I do here like most games vs arguments dont go far so lets stop wasting time.

No one is bullying you by telling you that you're bound to the same rules everyone else is.

Arguing back against a mod decision after being told to stop is a bannable offense and is in the forum rules. So, enjoy your time off.

Everyone else - don't even start. My patience is fairly frayed right now and I'm not going to be as lenient as I usually am.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I prefer to be banned by moderators than consistently bullied. So go ahead, it will according to your own rules rather than the forums make the only disturbance it seems by your calcluation (me) vanish.

My distrubance seems to be severe, because apprently BT being snide in a thread according to GK gets all this and threats of perm ban.

Wheras someone else can give a 6 page report filled full of attacks, direct, personal or otherwise against me and just get a meager slap o nthe wrist by comparison.

You may as well do what you "want" to do and give us all a break. Its not like I do much here anyway, and the arguments I do here like most games vs arguments dont go far so lets stop wasting time.

I'm sorry. I know it's prefered that no one gets involved in these cases but.

Is it not possible that given that you possess a particular point of view which contrasts most everyone else's, on a topic which is frequently discussed due to the nature of this section of the forums, where tensions can be said to run high even amongst the best of friends, that as opposed to being bullied, many other people simply get... frustrated with you and thus less than legitimate debating ensues. Obviously given the number of different people that this happens with you, it's simply a case of accumulation of the same offences....

Or something like that...

Just a fresh point of view or something, there's no sense to so much hostility.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm sorry. I know it's prefered that no one gets involved in these cases but.

Is it not possible that given that you possess a particular point of view which contrasts most everyone else's, on a topic which is frequently discussed due to the nature of this section of the forums, where tensions can be said to run high even amongst the best of friends, that as opposed to being bullied, many other people simply get... frustrated with you and thus less than legitimate debating ensues. Obviously given the number of different people that this happens with you, it's simply a case of accumulation of the same offences....

Or something like that...

Just a fresh point of view or something, there's no sense to so much hostility.

Leave it. As I said for everyone else to do so. Other opinions are neither wanted, needed, nor welcome.

Originally posted by Peach
No one is bullying you by telling you that you're bound to the same rules everyone else is.

Arguing back against a mod decision after being told to stop is a bannable offense and is in the forum rules. So, enjoy your time off.

Everyone else - don't even start. My patience is fairly frayed right now and I'm not going to be as lenient as I usually am.

I never said they were, I feel bullied because I seem to be bound to a different set of rules, e.g. I get banned or at least warned against being snide or the slightest factor as if ime the only one who does it yet people who consistently troll, admit to trolling or even create pages of trolling and direct bashing in counter to the direct rules of the forum get little comment on.

I am not interested in time off, and this sock account pretty much ties your hands, I want off KMC, I dont want to get pulled into coming back in 21 days or w/e silly nonsense, this is a waste of time and people are not going to change their manner on me or anyone in 20 days, if anything your actions here and GK's can only escalate trolling. Lets finish this nonsense?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm sorry. I know it's prefered that no one gets involved in these cases but.

Is it not possible that given that you possess a particular point of view which contrasts most everyone else's, on a topic which is frequently discussed due to the nature of this section of the forums, where tensions can be said to run high even amongst the best of friends, that as opposed to being bullied, many other people simply get... frustrated with you and thus less than legitimate debating ensues. Obviously given the number of different people that this happens with you, it's simply a case of accumulation of the same offences....

Or something like that...

Just a fresh point of view or something, there's no sense to so much hostility.

Everyone has points of view that contrast, that does not forgive people given leniancy to rules that others cannot have. Theres having a different point of view, and conssitently posting as if the other person is an idiot. Whether I was the only person who can see it or not, moderators use their own personal opinions ofa person to meet out "modderation" and I feel bullied by them, I feel like ime being moderated, not a group of people which is both insulting and ridiculous.