lol, 2 pages late...
Originally posted by Starscream M
seems like venom relishes fighting carnage more than the other way around as well
ya, he does seem to have an insane desire to kill Kassidy
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In a city environment Brock got owned, iirc.
I'm thinking of the end of Maximum Carnage, where Venom continuously beats the crap out of Kassidy, but Spidey stops him from killing Carnage multiple times.
I think in a forum fight, Carnage probably has more power overall, but in an environment where Venom might get the edge, he can and will use if more effectively than Carnage will use that power advantage.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterCant think of any particular instance (other than his first appearance) where Carnage dominated a team of super heroes. He fought avengers, FF but always had a team of supervillains helping. As for Venom vs Carnage, they had plenty of fair 1 on 1 (no PIS) fights. If anything Savage alliance was an unfinished skirmish and that's the only one Cletus dominated.
He fought multiples though, the avengers were on him and everything. He was intended to be more powerful. They've had meaningless inconclusive fights as his popularity declined, but I still wouldn't give him the majority in a straight up fight.
Originally posted by SamZED
You mean MC? He had a team of his own when he fought them all. In SA it was only SM and Venom. And it was mostly a hit and run kind of fight.
the last fight between the two in MC was pretty much 1v1, with spidey and black cat interfering only a couple of times, and then, really only to save carnage from venom
Originally posted by inimalistPretty much. And concidering the shape Brock was in (tried to attack Spider-man but collapsed) its pretty damn impressive.
the last fight between the two in MC was pretty much 1v1, with spidey and black cat interfering only a couple of times, and then, really only to save carnage from venom
Originally posted by SamZED
Cant think of any particular instance (other than his first appearance) where Carnage dominated a team of super heroes. He fought avengers, FF but always had a team of supervillains helping. As for Venom vs Carnage, they had plenty of fair 1 on 1 (no PIS) fights. If anything Savage alliance was an unfinished skirmish and that's the only one Cletus dominated.
A lot of fights he didn't want to be bothered and was avoiding him. Either way he'd still win on a forum match the majority. 😛
Originally posted by inimalistThat was when he was hit by that ray to weaken him though. With everyone trying to stop him.
lol, 2 pages late...ya, he does seem to have an insane desire to kill Kassidy
I'm thinking of the end of Maximum Carnage, where Venom continuously beats the crap out of Kassidy, but Spidey stops him from killing Carnage multiple times.
I think in a forum fight, Carnage probably has more power overall, but in an environment where Venom might get the edge, he can and will use if more effectively than Carnage will use that power advantage.
Originally posted by SamZED
Pretty much. And concidering the shape Brock was in (tried to attack Spider-man but collapsed) its pretty damn impressive.
oh, for sure
all things considered, Carnage had just regenerated from the "love" attack from Dagger and Deathlok as well, and gave as good as he got in the fight, but Venom did seem to be the clear victor between the two.
I tend to think forum rules favor carnage though
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That was when he was hit by that ray to weaken him though. With everyone trying to stop him.
very true, but just before that fight, in MC 13, Venom is falling over from fatigue after confronting Spider-Man
neither were at full strength, but if I had to give it to anyone, Carnage certainly had the element of surprise over Venom in that scenario. I think the fight is more impressive for Brock than vice versa.
also from MC, Brock's ability to outsmart the entire Carnage family to escape the statue of liberty sort of shows that he can probably outwit Carnage in a fight where he can use the environment to his advantage
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think Carnage was in worse shape. He tried to dig his mother's grave. But like I said most of these fights had plot devices (as do most comic fights).
sure, carnage is crazy and might not have been as focused, but the fact he had the opportunity to even go to the cemetery comes from Spiderman stopping venom from killing carnage on at least a couple of occasions in that same issue.
not to mention, everyone thought Carnage was dead. He duped everyone by making them attack a corpse and not Kassidy. He had as much time to regenerate as he wanted, whereas Venom was, literally, 4-5 panels before the fight, falling over from exhaustion.
idk, maybe my read of that fight is just different from yours.
Originally posted by inimalistWell remember he was suffering delusions from the gun (the ghosts of the people who he killed were talking to him, and he was visiting prisons amongst other things).
sure, carnage is crazy and might not have been as focused, but the fact he had the opportunity to even go to the cemetery comes from Spiderman stopping venom from killing carnage on at least a couple of occasions in that same issue.not to mention, everyone thought Carnage was dead. He duped everyone by making them attack a corpse and not Kassidy. He had as much time to regenerate as he wanted, whereas Venom was, literally, 4-5 panels before the fight, falling over from exhaustion.
idk, maybe my read of that fight is just different from yours.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well remember he was suffering delusions from the gun (the ghosts of the people who he killed were talking to him, and he was visiting prisons amongst other things).
no, very true, I'm certainly not suggesting either of them were at their best
and remember, I give carnage a majority out of 10 in a blank forum fight, and only a split to venom in a fight where he can find places to exploit symbiote weaknesses.