Odin VS Galactus

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What part of this issue lead you to believe Galactus was just being annoyed by Odin?

Everything points to the opposite as far as I can tell.

I've seen this line of thinking being presented more than once and unfortunately it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Odin entering the Destroyer doesn't in itself prove he's inferior to Galactus.

quanchi has a point.

Odin did about as well as anyone could have hoped against an average Big G, but the fact he has to resort to the Destroyer armor says a lot about where Fraction thinks they stand.

Basically, it looks like he believes Odin can give him a good fight, but not pull off a win. Hence, the extra gear.

Originally posted by cdtm
quanchi has a point.

Odin did about as well as anyone could have hoped against an average Big G, but the fact he has to resort to the Destroyer armor says a lot about where Fraction thinks they stand.

Basically, it looks like he believes Odin can give him a good fight, but not pull off a win. Hence, the extra gear.

Originally posted by cdtm
quanchi has a point.

Odin did about as well as anyone could have hoped against an average Big G, but the fact he has to resort to the Destroyer armor says a lot about where Fraction thinks they stand.

Basically, it looks like he believes Odin can give him a good fight, but not pull off a win. Hence, the extra gear.

👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not on that alone but the fact he ko'd himself whereas Galactus healed from all damage tends to make me put the two together and reach the conclusion. The destroyer armor is an amp for Odin.

Iight, as long as you understand that the Destroyer Armor being used isn't in itself evidence of Odin being inferior to Galactus.

The only reason I even touched on this is because it's something I'm seeing pop up and it's a bit irritating.

Originally posted by cdtm
quanchi has a point.

Odin did about as well as anyone could have hoped against an average Big G, but the fact he has to resort to the Destroyer armor says a lot about where Fraction thinks they stand.

Basically, it looks like he believes Odin can give him a good fight, but not pull off a win. Hence, the extra gear.

If two equals battle it out and opponent A uses a weapon to win, that doesn't immediately mean opponent A is any less powerful, it just means that he needs an edge to win.

Just because Odin needs a weapon to bring down Galactus, that doesn't in itself mean Galactus is more powerful than Odin. Galactus being the last man standing is the reason I give him the nod.

Pretty simple.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're entitled to your own opinions, but Galactus was definitely depicted as the stronger of the two- additionally, he wasn't depicted as having sustained any 'lasting' damage from their battle. Odin, on the other hand, overextended himself to such an extent that he was forced to enter the Odinsleep. To me, that equates to two very different levels of power. /shrug

It's amazing how differently some writers opt to depict characters. Fraction, for instance, writes Galactus as though he's little more then some random feeb cruising around for planets to eat. Opposite side of the coin, had someone like Abnett been writing Galactus like the true cosmic being he is, I doubt Odin would have even registered on his radar.

You're entitled to an opinion as well. Let's agree to disagree. Hopefully the next issue will be clearer. I doubt it, but I can hope.

It's not any different than Lee's or DeFalco's depiction of Odin. Each character has their high point.

Besides, Fraction has given Galactus as much respect as he usually receives 90% of the time.

i hate galactus

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here's one person who agrees Galactus is well beyond Odin and the comic further proved it. You can continue to say I am misrepresenting it but I'm no Galactus fanboy and others also agree. I won't waste my time debating with you leo as you tend to taddle I tend to shrug things off whether you disagree or not. Yet someone else who agrees that Galactus shoved it off and popped right back after Odin went to sleep. It's not me alone. I won't really respond to you since you'll just call a mod in and say I am misrepesenting again when two other posters agree with my assessment you continually say I am lying about.

damn, that was easy. perfect, it's a win-win. 😄

Originally posted by cdtm
Basically, it looks like he believes Odin can give him a good fight, but not pull off a win. Hence, the extra gear.

👆 yep. we also don't yet know if there really WAS any lasting impact to g. guess we'll know more next issue. if he really did suffer no lasting impact then i will reconsider the gap between them at that time. contrary to the quan-sense above, i can see why people (looking at ONLY the end of the fight) see the gap in power being larger than i do. if that was really odin's 'big attack' and he himself is ko'd while g was only stunned for a time, then it would indicate a decent power seperation. seems to me that g was certainly the more durable of the 2 at least, but he was likewise certainly unable to simply 'dismiss' odin at will, nor did he seem capable of "ending it whenever he chose". to me that indicates a closeness in relative power.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i hate galactus

Ok, who hacked Big C's account?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Iight, as long as you understand that the Destroyer Armor being used isn't in itself evidence of Odin being inferior to Galactus.

The only reason I even touched on this is because it's something I'm seeing pop up and it's a bit irritating.

Galactus came out on top, that's not in contention, but Odin resorting to the Destroyer Armor does not in itself prove that Galactus > Odin. That reasoning is flawed and doesn't hold up.

If two equals battle it out and opponent A uses a weapon to win, that doesn't immediately mean opponent A is any less powerful, it just means that he needs an edge to win.

Just because Odin needs a weapon to bring down Galactus, that doesn't in itself mean Galactus is more powerful than Odin. Galactus being the last man standing is the reason I give him the nod.

Pretty simple.

Originally posted by leonidas
damn, that was easy. perfect, it's a win-win. 😄

👆 yep. we also don't yet know if there really WAS any lasting impact to g. guess we'll know more next issue. if he really did suffer no lasting impact then i will reconsider the gap between them at that time. contrary to the quan-sense above, i can see why people (looking at ONLY the end of the fight) see the gap in power being larger than i do. if that was really odin's 'big attack' and he himself is ko'd while g was only stunned for a time, then it would indicate a decent power seperation. seems to me that g was certainly the more durable of the 2 at least, but he was likewise certainly unable to simply 'dismiss' odin at will, nor did he seem capable of "ending it whenever he chose". to me that indicates a closeness in relative power.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Iight, as long as you understand that the Destroyer Armor being used isn't in itself evidence of Odin being inferior to Galactus.

How does it not mean that?

If two equals battle it out and opponent A uses a weapon to win, that doesn't immediately mean opponent A is any less powerful, it just means that he needs an edge to win.

It's more like two fighters brawling, one of them get's beaten (i.e., Odin) and then after he's beaten, he comes back with a gun (i.e., Destroyer Armour).

Just because Odin needs a weapon to bring down Galactus, that doesn't in itself mean Galactus is more powerful than Odin. Galactus being the last man standing is the reason I give him the nod.

Yes it does, especially when Odin without his weapon lost plain and simple to Galactus, and then needs his Destroyer to even have a chance at winning.

So it seems currnet Odin is only classic Thanos lvl..nice.

Pre-Death Thanos knocked out Galactus?

Originally posted by vince_slice
How does it not mean that?

What part of my post didn't you understand?

An opponent resorting to a weapon doesn't in itself mean he's inferior.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It's more like two fighters brawling, one of them get's beaten (i.e., Odin) and then after he's beaten, he comes back with a gun (i.e., Destroyer Armour).

Yes it does, especially when Odin without his weapon lost plain and simple to Galactus, and then needs his Destroyer to even have a chance at winning.

I'm not denying that Galactus illustrated an edge over Odin. That isn't in contention so don't get your panties in a bunch.

I am however pointing out the stupidity in assuming that an entity is inferior to another for no reason other than pulling out a weapon. That act isn't an admission of inferiority which is what I don't think some people understand.

This silly reasoning is a bit of a pet peeve. Odin entering the Destroyer doesn't hurt but it's not the reason why Galactus gets the nod over Odin. It's because he's the last man standing.

We'll see.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pre-Death Thanos knocked out Galactus?

What part of my post didn't you understand?

An opponent resorting to a weapon doesn't in itself mean he's inferior.

I'm not denying that Galactus illustrated an edge over Odin. That isn't in contention so don't get your panties in a bunch.

I am however pointing out the stupidity in assuming that an entity is inferior to another for no reason other than pulling out a weapon. That act isn't an admission of inferiority which is what I don't think some people understand.

This silly reasoning is a bit of a pet peeve. Odin entering the Destroyer doesn't hurt but it's not the reason why Galactus gets the nod over Odin. It's because he's the last man standing.

We'll see.

Problem is Odin didn't simply just pull out the weapon during the fight, like you're falsely implying.

He fought Galactus, LOST, and then pulled out the weapon. That in my mind explicitly demonstrates his inferiority.

If a combatant gets beaten, and then pulls out a weapon on his opponent, I'm pretty sure that means he's inferior.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Problem is Odin didn't simply just pull out the weapon during the fight, like you're falsely implying.

He fought Galactus, LOST, and then pulled out the weapon. That in my mind explicitly demonstrates his inferiority.

If a combatant gets beaten, and then pulls out a weapon on his opponent, I'm pretty sure that means he's inferior.

It's not the first time Odin pulled out weapon in the midst of a fight, his done so with his first interaction with Thanos.. So yeah Im kinda getting Rage point there.. If it's Odin in that Destroyer armor then the fight is not over yet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Exactly rage is trying to ignore Odin didn't just fail against Galactus and thereby resort to the destroyer armor (if that's what actually happens).

I'm not ignoring anything. Odin lost round 1, Galactus has the edge. That's never been in contention.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Problem is Odin didn't simply just pull out the weapon during the fight, like you're falsely implying.

He fought Galactus, LOST, and then pulled out the weapon. That in my mind explicitly demonstrates his inferiority.

If a combatant gets beaten, and then pulls out a weapon on his opponent, I'm pretty sure that means he's inferior.

I don't think you get what I'm saying.

It's statements like "Odin is weaker because he's using the Destroyer Armor." that I have a problem with. It implies that the simple act of resorting to a weapon is an admission of inferiority. It's not.

Odin losing and then utilizing a weapon implies inferiority but I never argued that.

Originally posted by Ambient
It's not the first time Odin pulled out weapon in the midst of a fight, his done so with his first interaction with Thanos.. So yeah Im kinda getting Rage point there..

Odin didn't pull out a weapon against Galactus in the middle of the fight. Odin lost to Galactus, and then pulls out a weapon. Big difference.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Odin losing and then utilizing a weapon implies inferiority, sure but I never argued that.

As long as you understand that point then I'm cool. Losing to someone is already strong evidence of inferiority, pulling a weapon on your opponent after you've lost only cements it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's wrong with you?

I'm not ignoring anything. Odin lost round 1, Galactus has the edge. That's never been in contention.

I don't think you get what I'm saying.

It's statements like "Odin is weaker because he's using the Destroyer Armor." that I have a problem with. It implies that the simple act of resorting to a weapon is an admission of inferiority. It's not.

Odin losing and then utilizing a weapon implies inferiority but I never argued that.

Originally posted by Ambient
It's not the first time Odin pulled out weapon in the midst of a fight, his done so with his first interaction with Thanos.. So yeah Im kinda getting Rage point there.. If it's Odin in that Destroyer armor then the fight is not over yet.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Odin didn't pull out a weapon against Galactus in the middle of the fight. [b]Odin lost to Galactus, and then pulls out a weapon. Big difference.
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