Post-time skip, the Akatsuki still have the mass destruction advantage, and they're less frontloaded in just a few people, but the upgrades make it harder. Zoro taking out Kisame is key. Nico Robins is vital for her ability to tie people up and hopefully prevent many of the biggest attacks from being used, and of course with Kisame out of the way, Luffy's free to use his tactic of 'find the strongest people and beat them up.' Haki means they have an answer to Konan too.
I'm less sure of the outcome.
Sanji could easily take out Kisame underwater.
Luffy could solo everyone here in hand to hand at the same time.
Robin could snap most of them in half at the very start of the fight.
Pain's best Shinra Tensei would not be able to even hurt Franky, and his best Shinra Tensei looks like shit compared to the Ursa Shock, which they all survived (I think, been a while).
The Monster Trio alone could solo this.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Luffy could solo everyone here in hand to hand at the same time.
It is too bad that a lot of them don't rely on HtH, and will be using dirty tricks like poison, flames that don't come out, illusions that he can't escape from (and keep in mind, Luffy's mind is far more vulnerable than the rest of him. Remember Ms. Goldenweek), and so on.
If Madara and Itachi mind control Luffy into switching sides, you can agree that would be BadTM, yes?
Robin could snap most of them in half at the very start of the fight.
A surprising number of people here either don't care in the slightest or have defenses, often multiple defenses (they also are universally supertough, but she's managed it with surprisingly tough people even pre-timeskip, so I suppose that doesn't matter too much). And if one hurts her limbs while she tries, that can foil such an attempt. Significant wounds to her limbs will even cause feedback pain that'll likely stop all attacks she's attempting at the time.
Pain's best Shinra Tensei would not be able to even hurt Franky, and his best Shinra Tensei looks like shit compared to the Ursa Shock, which they all survived (I think, been a while).
His best Shinra Tensei hit a much, much, much bigger area than Ursa Shock.
And while they survived, it needless to say took out almost all of them. Mass destruction powers are not a bad tactic to use.
Wouldn't nanobombs from Deidera be enough to kill all of the Straw Hats? Just wondering.
I also don't think the Straw Hats could get around Susanoo...well Robin could but Amateratsu is still a *****.
Although I do think Chibaku Tensei could pose a threat to all of them. Do they have anything to deal with Konan's paper intangability?
Originally posted by Nephthysthe first thing they would do is pick their jaws up off the ground, and luffy then talks about how epic it would be to be able to do that....and then well, frantic gurgling as he drowns
If he starts to spit out a lake I'm sure the Strawhats will prioritise taking him out. Which Robin could probably do just by snapping him in half swiftly.
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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Although I do think Chibaku Tensei could pose a threat to all of them. Do they have anything to deal with Konan's paper intangability?
Luffy himself has Haki, but aside from that not really.
Franky has fire, but we've seen her block fire jutsu with paper before, so that won't be enough.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Current Madara solos.
lolno he dies just like everyone else hes nowhere near fast enough to hit any of the monster trio with his hax bull****
and people seem to be forgetting 2 of their strongest guys dont even have cursed fruits, Kisame can try all the water BS he wants but after seeing the way Sanji moves underwater it wont be a problem.
Originally posted by Coco292
lolno he dies just like everyone else hes nowhere near fast enough to hit any of the monster trio with his hax bull****and people seem to be forgetting 2 of their strongest guys dont even have cursed fruits, Kisame can try all the water BS he wants but after seeing the way Sanji moves underwater it wont be a problem.
I don't think people are forgetting, but if it gets down to a good chunk of the Akatsuki vs 2, they're going down. Heck, the Akatsuki already outnumber the strawhats, and most of the Strawhats aren't a match for any Akatsuki.
The fruit users definitely represent a major chunk of the Strawhat's strength, so taking them out could decided the fight right there.
Wouldn't nanobombs from Deidera be enough to kill all of the Straw Hats? Just wondering.
Deidara's nanobomb attack takes too long.
I also don't think the Straw Hats could get around Susanoo...well Robin could but Amateratsu is still a *****.
Not really. Robin could do it easily, as you said.
Although I do think Chibaku Tensei could pose a threat to all of them. Do they have anything to deal with Konan's paper intangability?
Chibaku Tensei would take out all of his team as well bar Madara.
Konan's paper is not intangible. Plus Nami could beat her by making it rain on her. Or hit her with some lightning. Or Franky's fire attacks. Or Sanji's Diable Jambe. Or Ussop's Fire Bird Star.
the first thing they would do is pick their jaws up off theground, and luffy then talks about how epic it would be to be able to do that....and then well, frantic gurgling as he drowns
Yeah, no. Most of the Strawhats are pretty dumb, but Robin is a stone cold *****. She'd snap him in half as quickly as she can if he tried that. Plus they're fighting in Marineford so theres plenty of high-ground for them to retreat to if Kisame pulls out a lake.
and most of the Strawhats aren't a match for any Akatsuki.
Bullshit. Most of the Strawhats are out of Akatsuki's league.
Chibaku Tensei would take out all of his team as well bar Madara.
Madara can protect others by warping them to his little pocket dimension, then retrieving them. Also they could use Deidara's birds to fly the whole team out of range, those who can't already fly.
Konan's paper is not intangible. Plus Nami could beat her by making it rain on her.
Nope, water doesn't work against her. We've seen her fight in the rain. Toad Oil made her paper stick together, but water was used to remove it, working to her advantage, and even the oil didn't really beat her, just restricted her.
Or hit her with some lightning. Or Franky's fire attacks. Or Sanji's Diable Jambe. Or Ussop's Fire Bird Star.
Konan used a paper jutsu to block Jiraiya's fireballs (and fire jutsu are both bigger than Franky's and have been known to melt stone), so she's quite capable of handling that too. I mean, yea, I guess they can do damage, but it's nothing she hasn't defended against and more.
Conversely, her attacks are a very large threat in return, she's got massive amounts of boomy, and her paper swarms are almost impossible to avoid. Konan could take on Nami, Usopp, and Franky at once and not be in any particular danger.
Yeah, no. Most of the Strawhats are pretty dumb, but Robin is a stone cold *****. She'd snap him in half as quickly as she can if he tried that. Plus they're fighting in Marineford so theres plenty of high-ground for them to retreat to if Kisame pulls out a lake.
The 'lake' is mobile, it can roll to wherever he needs.
He can regen even fatal wounds with chakra, so a broken spine wouldn't necessarily take him down. Not to mention if he's got Samehada with him, a grab isn't necessarily a good idea, if he tears into hands grabbing him, Nico'll take major damage.
Bullshit. Most of the Strawhats are out of Akatsuki's league.
The weaker members are much slower and have less stats and less destructive abilities. Also, Akatsuki tends to have a wider range of strong abilities, rather than a single speciality like the Straw Hats.
Only the Monster Trio + Nico really have what it takes to take an Akatsuki in a fair fight.
I don't know whether one side's being overestimate or the other underestimated, but feat wise the two sides stack up pretty well... when comparing equivalent levels. High level characters from one side vs low level or mid level from another go badly for the low level one whichever way you compare (and OP does have a level without a Naruto equivalent, the Enel/Admiral/etc. tier, but they aren't here so that's another issue).
Madara can protect others by warping them to his little pocket dimension, then retrieving them. Also they could use Deidara's birds to fly the whole team out of range, those who can't already fly.
Afraid not. If The rest of the team leave Pein alone then he gets gangraped by the Strawhats. Luffy in particular punches his head off as soon as he's the only target.
Plus if Deidara starts spitting out a half dozen birds and flying away Ussop could take him out. YOu might call bullshit but Ussop has frightening range and accuracy and its not like Deidara is well known for his durability.
Nope, water doesn't work against her. We've seen her fight in the rain. Toad Oil made her paper stick together, but water was used to remove it, working to her advantage, and even the oil didn't really beat her, just restricted her.
Fair enough.
Konan used a paper jutsu to block Jiraiya's fireballs (and fire jutsu are both bigger than Franky's and have been known to melt stone), so she's quite capable of handling that too. I mean, yea, I guess they can do damage, but it's nothing she hasn't defended against and more.
No she didn't. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v41/c371/15.html Unless she does it later in the fight with Pain she wasn't shown blocking it.
Conversely, her attacks are a very large threat in return, she's got massive amounts of boomy, and her paper swarms are almost impossible to avoid. Konan could take on Nami, Usopp, and Franky at once and not be in any particular danger.
She doesn't get her exploding tags here. All she has is her paper, which is pathetic. Without prep she has no chance. Nami avoided attacks from someone much quicker than her (Kalifa, Oars) and so has Ussop (Oars).
Bullshit is she even scratching Franky.
The 'lake' is mobile, it can roll to wherever he needs.
It can't move as fast as the Strawhats. Hell, current Luffy could take him out in a single punch through the water, as would the rest of the big guns of the SHs.
He can regen even fatal wounds with chakra, so a broken spine wouldn't necessarily take him down.
He regenerated from a potentially fatal wound. Theres nothing to suggest he can return from death.
The weaker members are much slower and have less stats and less destructive abilities. Also, Akatsuki tends to have a wider range of strong abilities, rather than a single speciality like the Straw Hats.
Hence why I said most, not all.
Only the Monster Trio + Nico really have what it takes to take an Akatsuki in a fair fight.
Not really.
Do fruit users suddenly have the ability to do shit under water? Cause that is the only way one of them would be able to do anything if they were under said water.
Not that the others wouldn't be able to do things underwater.
Also, the paper seems to be on fire. She couldn't have dodged it if that were the case. So she probably blocked it.