Smith vs. Anakin (Lord Vader)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you're one of these people who think a force choke/hold can be escaped via brute strength? Nothing in the SW movies suggested that.

Besides, Anakin has precog, he will always know where Smith is gonna be. He doesn't even have to see Smith. He just senses where danger is coming from and have his saber ready to intercept.

Vader has been beaten multiple times even when he knows he shouldn't do something.

Smith's reaction times, feats of strength are far superior to anything vader has ever done on screen by a country mile.

Why wouldn't I think it can be overcome via strength when it really hasn't killed anyone with supernatural strength like smith or with his reaction feats.

No gun for Smith. I hardly think he needs it and would think that would take away any chances vader does have.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait a minute ? I saw lasers taking out multiple jedi when they were betrayed in the revenge of the sith yet even an agent smith can dodge multiple bullets with ease but you claim Vader is unhittable now ? You claim he senses danger at every turn but despite Obi wan warning him not to jump did so anyways ?

Vader has been beaten multiple times even when he knows he shouldn't do something.

Smith's reaction times, feats of strength are far superior to anything vader has ever done on screen by a country mile.

Why wouldn't I think it can be overcome via strength when it really hasn't killed anyone with supernatural strength like smith or with his reaction feats.

Fail. The fact that you brought up ROTS is fail. The Jedi were unaware they were about to be attacked. Their ability to use the force had diminished, Mace's words.

Name them.

Precog. Anakin is fast enough to precog where Smith will attack from and cut him to ribbons. Smith never moved fast enough so that Anakin would not know his general location. Force push, Smith flies back, followed by force hold, followed by decap.

Why didn't the Gammoreans overcome Luke's force choke then?

umm smith can fly? smith has superhuman durability & strength?
smith can end fight after sticking his hand into a persons chest?

Um, pay attention? Precog, saber swipe.

umm flight

Guess I'll step in here.

If we're saying that Smith can be killed due to saber blows or Melee damage from Anakin, then the Jedi has a chance.

Jedi Precog when used well, is highly effective.

Problem is, it isn't 100% infallible. There are times when the Precog doesn't tell the Jedi something (depending on the Will of the Force) or the Jedi doesn't react quickly enough to follow it's Will.
(Qui-Gon being impaled by Maul)

However, if Anakin were to go toe-to-toe with Smith, who has a regular damage-soak and this is RotS Anakin, I'd give Anakin a fair shot.

Anakin has faced opponents with crazy reaction-times, I.E. Magnagaurd, Count Dooku, etc, etc, etc. And still one-upped them with his reflexes and Force abilities.

Yes, a Force-choke or TK grip can be broken out of - usually by use of a "Grounding Technique" (See:Shatterpoint Novel) that catches and disperses incoming Force energy, and scatters it, dissipating it.

If Anakin used the Force to determine where Smith was going to be (Perceived him running to spot B in the next few moments) and used the Force to grab him and hold him in place, he could do it.

He used the same trick to kill Durge, a multi-thousand year old and highly deadly bounty hunter and Mandalorian-killer.

If he grabbed Smith, either Smith wouldn't be able to move, or by the time he did, Anakin would have already sawed him in half.

Now, what of Smith's gun?

Anakin could block those bullets, and probably bounce them back into the Agent.

This hinges on the potency of Anakin's ESP during this fight, which would depend on the Will of the Force.

If he's supposed to win the fight, and his ESP works favorably, I'd give Anakin a 6/10 chance.

If not, Smith messes him up.

Smith should rape, he's too fast and too strong for Anakin. Also, he can fly.

I'd like to submit to the court the following fact:

Agent Smith is so incredibly durable that a lightsaber would just bounce off of his body.

An object that can survive a punch that causes a shockwave on scale of a nuclear weapon is so incredibly durable that you would have to hold a plasma blade on that object, for a lengthy period of time, to get it to slowly start cutting it (the heat excites the molecules to the point that it starts to break the bonds, very rapidly. On the macroscopic scale, this looks like "cutting". Apply this same blade to a material that is so extremely durable that it does not "destroy" even at forces far greater than any material can withstand during the shockwave of a nuclear weapon, we have a material that could easily deflect a plasma blade with little to no damage.)

Let us also mention that the heat caused from those punches that caused those shockwaves would cause extremely high amounts of heat...also furthering my point that his body simply cannot be cut with a glancing blow from a light-saber.

I can't even begin to imagine the amount of heat created by those massive punches.

You guys need a good example? How about the pistol shrimp? Little ****er creates heat in the water that is as hot as the surface of the sun. And what is the sun? Plasma. What is a lightsaber? A plasma blade. Are the heats of the two similar? Probably. It's more likely that the plasma blades/lightsabers are a couple of thousand degrees cooler than the surface of the sun.

YouTube video

Conclusion: spite thread.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'd like to submit to the court the following fact:

Agent Smith is so incredibly durable that a lightsaber would just bounce off of his body.

An object that can survive a punch that causes a shockwave on scale of a nuclear weapon is so incredibly durable that you would have to hold a plasma blade on that object, for a lengthy period of time, to get it to slowly start cutting it (the heat excites the molecules to the point that it starts to break the bonds, very rapidly. On the macroscopic scale, this looks like "cutting". Apply this same blade to a material that is so extremely durable that it does not "destroy" even at forces far greater than any material can withstand during the shockwave of a nuclear weapon, we have a material that could easily deflect a plasma blade with little to no damage.)

Let us also mention that the heat caused from those punches that caused those shockwaves would cause extremely high amounts of heat...also furthering my point that his body simply cannot be cut with a glancing blow from a light-saber.

I can't even begin to imagine the amount of heat created by those massive punches.

You guys need a good example? How about the shotgun shrimp? Little ****er creates heat in the water that is as hot as the surface of the sun. And what is the sun? Plasma. What is a lightsaber? A plasma blade. Are the heats of the two similar? Probably. It's more likely that the plasma blades/lightsabers are a couple of thousand degrees cooler than the surface of the sun.

Conclusion: spite thread.

Didn't Morpheus use a sword to dispatch people in the later movies?

I had alot going on at the time, and they didn't look so hot to me so I've only seen bits and pieces.

EDIT: Just watched that vid, hm..

You'd think if that explosion was as hot as the surface of the sun, that shrimp would be at least slightly charred on the outside, and not just stunned.

Then again, my Shrimpology is a little rusty.

Bubba would disapprove.

Originally posted by NowYouRemember
Didn't Morpheus use a sword to dispatch people in the later movies?

I had alot going on at the time, and they didn't look so hot to me so I've only seen bits and pieces.

EDIT: Just watched that vid, hm..

You'd think if that explosion was as hot as the surface of the sun, that shrimp would be at least slightly charred on the outside, and not just stunned.

Then again, my Shrimpology is a little rusty.

Bubba would disapprove.

That heat would be very localized at the "apex" of the compression wave. It would not be "large enough" to heat the water around it enough to fry our little critter. It's a heat-volume transfer thing: not enough volume of water is heated enough to heat the volume the encompasses the shrimp.

Summary: it neeeeeds moar calories! dur

😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
That heat would be very localized at the "apex" of the compression wave. It would not be "large enough" to heat the water around it enough to fry our little critter. It's a heat-volume transfer thing: not enough volume of water is heated enough to heat the volume the encompasses the shrimp.

Summary: it neeeeeds moar calories! dur

😆

Ah, I thought so..

And what of Morpheus and his over-glorified dinner-knife?pimp

I can't even begin to imagine the amount of heat created by those massive punches.

And yet their clothes aren't even singed? Hmmmm. awegimp

Whats precog?

Google is your friend.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Google is your friend.

Great

Originally posted by NowYouRemember
Guess I'll step in here.

If we're saying that Smith can be killed due to saber blows or Melee damage from Anakin, then the Jedi has a chance.

Jedi Precog when used well, is highly effective.

Problem is, it isn't 100% infallible. There are times when the Precog doesn't tell the Jedi something (depending on the Will of the Force) or the Jedi doesn't react quickly enough to follow it's Will.
(Qui-Gon being impaled by Maul)

However, if Anakin were to go toe-to-toe with Smith, who has a regular damage-soak and this is RotS Anakin, I'd give Anakin a fair shot.

Anakin has faced opponents with crazy reaction-times, I.E. Magnagaurd, Count Dooku, etc, etc, etc. And still one-upped them with his reflexes and Force abilities.

Yes, a Force-choke or TK grip can be broken out of - usually by use of a "Grounding Technique" ([B]See:Shatterpoint Novel) that catches and disperses incoming Force energy, and scatters it, dissipating it.

If Anakin used the Force to determine where Smith was going to be (Perceived him running to spot B in the next few moments) and used the Force to grab him and hold him in place, he could do it.

He used the same trick to kill Durge, a multi-thousand year old and highly deadly bounty hunter and Mandalorian-killer.

If he grabbed Smith, either Smith wouldn't be able to move, or by the time he did, Anakin would have already sawed him in half.

Now, what of Smith's gun?

Anakin could block those bullets, and probably bounce them back into the Agent.

This hinges on the potency of Anakin's ESP during this fight, which would depend on the Will of the Force.

If he's supposed to win the fight, and his ESP works favorably, I'd give Anakin a 6/10 chance.

If not, Smith messes him up. [/B]

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude that's HOT.

😛 What can I say? I studied Jedi and Sith lore for over a decade, at one point, religiously.

From what I know, Anakin has a chance in this, depending on Le dice.

Originally posted by NowYouRemember
😛 What can I say? I studied Jedi and Sith lore for over a decade, at one point, religiously.

From what I know, Anakin has a chance in this, depending on Le dice.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Marry me.

I have a fiancee, actually. 😛

But shit, Nephthys knows just as much as I do, maybe even more. And he's single.

So try him out. 😉