Originally posted by zopzopwhich is utterly irrelevant to Galactu's standing as a being of no opposites created by neither death nor eternity and standing between them, which is what makes him immune
Yup that is correct, LoM. But as we all know now, Galactus is not unique "in this or any other universe" there are lots and lots of alternate universe Galactus'.IB summons one, Galactus dies. Fights over.
Originally posted by zopzop
Order and Chaos created him! Of course they are going to own him. I don't see Order or Chaos on the OP's list do you?He "struggled" to put down Galactus because back then supposedly Galactus had no opposite for IB to summon to insta-pwn him.
He was still beating Galactus, in Galactus' home turf where according to Galactus "Each of us are near-omnipotent in our home realms, and we are in mine!" So even with home field advantage, Galactus would have lost if Surfer/Nova/the Elders/Reed and Sue didn't step in to save him.
I know they created him. The point is the IB is obviously incorrect in his statement or else two abstract beings (regardless of being his creator) wouldn't be able to do anything to him. Neither would Galactus be able to hurt him at all, much less give him a good fight.
Who would IB summon against Abraxas?
Originally posted by 753
which is utterly irrelevant to Galactu's standing as a being of no opposites created by neither death nor eternity and standing between them, which is what makes him immune
No. If you read the issue, what made him immune was him being "unique in this or any other universe" this is now outright FALSE. He dies.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I know they created him. The point is the IB is obviously incorrect in his statement or else two abstract beings (regardless of being his creator) wouldn't be able to do anything to him. Neither would Galactus be able to hurt him at all, much less give him a good fight.Who would IB summon against Abraxas?
Good grief, his MASTERS were apparently smart enough to make him vulnerable to their power.
The whole Galactus gave him a fight thing was only because Galactus was supposedly "unique in this or any other universe" (look at the scan I provided), this is now FALSE. We've seen dozens of alternate universe versions of Galactus. IB summons one, Galactus dies.
Who would IB summon vs Abraxas? Good question. Another Good question would be what could Abraxas do vs the IB? At worst, it's a stalemate. But seeing how petrified Abraxas was when Galactus stole the UN from him....
@zopzop
Wouldnt the IB have to summon another IB to neutralize Galactus? Afterall, an alternate reality Galactus wouldnt be the opposite of Galactus; they'd both represent no opposites and essentially be the same being...
I'm not sure if the IB could summon up another IB to fight for him; if he could he could just get an infinite army of IB's together and "wtfomfgbbq-sauce" own all of reality...
LoM, I'm just going by what was said on panel. The reason why he couldn't insta-pwn him was because Galactus was "unique in this or any other universe." We now KNOW as a fact that this is FALSE. There are alternate universe versions of Galactus.
Apparently at the time of their first fight, this was true. It's now no longer true. Galactus dies instantly.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
But who is the IB going to summon to kill him? Logically it cant be another Galactus as he is not his own opposite...the IB is.Unless the IB is cancelling out the Big-G himself (or summoning up another IB), there is no one else to call upon...
We have to figure out what "opposite" means. For example, when the LT was giving his little speech to the Silver Surfer, he broke down the functions of his triple faces as :
In "our" reality : Death, Galactus, Eternity
In "the realm of the Vishanti : Chaos, IB, Order
Going by that it looks as if IB is Galactus' opposite seeing has how they perform similar functions. Galactus is the balancing force between Death and Eternity as IB is the balancing force between Order and Chaos. But this is only in their respective universes. And IB is more than just the balancing force between Order and Chaos, he represents ALL dualities (as stated on panel).
You wouldn't say Order is Death's opposite or Chaos is Eternity's opposite would you?
Originally posted by zopzop
Good grief, his MASTERS were apparently smart enough to make him vulnerable to their power.The whole Galactus gave him a fight thing was only because Galactus was supposedly "unique in this or any other universe" (look at the scan I provided), this is now FALSE. We've seen dozens of alternate universe versions of Galactus. IB summons one, Galactus dies.
Who would IB summon vs Abraxas? Good question. Another Good question would be what could Abraxas do vs the IB? At worst, it's a stalemate. But seeing how petrified Abraxas was when Galactus stole the UN from him....
So how is it that Order and Chaos can make the IB immune to a power that would destroy even them?
How would the IB be able to summon a Galactus against another Galactus?
Originally posted by celestialdemon
So how is it that Order and Chaos can make the IB immune to a power that would destroy even them?How would the IB be able to summon a Galactus against another Galactus?
How did the IB summon Death, an abstract even more powerful than his masters, and FORCE her against her will to kill the Elders that she made a vow NEVER to take?
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Good question. Would he be able to do it again? A lot has changed since then.
Actually you may be correct. I do remember this incident was referenced again during the Thanos Quest story (the one where he was collecting the Soul Gems). IB admitted that he could protect Thanos from Death and she wouldn't be able to harm him.
Originally posted by zopzop
What could Abraxas do to the IB? Abraxas' great scheme was to use the UN to wreck havoc on reality.IB exists everywhere and NOWHERE. The UN wouldn't do anything against him and that was Abraxas' trump card. What's to stop IB from summoning Abraxas' opposite and annihilating him on the spot?
No, Abraxas never intended to use the Ultimate Nullifier. You're wrong as usual, read the last panel.
In-Betweener stops at two, tops.
