Originally posted by TheTyrant
No, Abraxas never intended to use the Ultimate Nullifier. You're wrong as usual, read the last panel.In-Betweener stops at two, tops.
Then why steal it? He didn't do jack on a universal scale in terms of destruction. What was the point of him taking it then?
Originally posted by Simbon
Both of you seem not to have noticed my lack of seriousness. I guess that's what happens when you think Odin can beat Galactus -- all your perceptions just spin hopelessly out of control.
Why don't you wait 2 more weeks then we'll see who is laughing? After Odin pushes Galactus' s..t in! 😉
Originally posted by zopzopThen why steal it?
Abraxas didn't do jack on a universal scale in terms of destruction.
What was the point of him taking it then?
Second: Abraxas stole the UN, so no one else could use it on him,
being UN scale influence was his only weakness.
Third: Abraxas had the totality of Eternity 616 (nicknamed "multi-eternity) afraid & powerless,
in fact, Eternity's totality went seeking for help.
Abraxas ... his purpose is to destroy the Omniverse:
"ALL That Ever Was, Ever Is, or Ever Will Be"
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Franklin says about the Omniversal Guardian:
"That's Roma, she's gonna help us fight the dark man" (Abraxas)
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Roma (Omniversal Guardian) makes it clear:
"And if we do not act soon ... All of Time will be lost to us"
Abraxas is a Multiversal power of Omniversal significance.
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Here are Nine Universes that would later be destroyed by Abraxas:
"Imagine each of those Worlds like sand in an hourglass ...
an hourglass which Abraxas will shatter"
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This is aside from all these UniverseS Abraxas collapsed:
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Meh,
And Abraxas only needs to approach UniverseS to collapse them:
(he doesn't even need to attack or enter said Realities) 🙂
(the Multiverse in fact)
"creatures of the Multiverse Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself
This ... is what brings Abraxas" (like I said, just by approaching)
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Here are some Bio excerpts to confirm my posts which only contain the On Panel evidence:
(reference-Official Marvel Handbook 2006 - Abraxas bio)
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How Abraxas folds/collapses Universes:
"While Abraxas drew near,
the walls of dimensional space began to blur" (fold/collapse)
It goes on to explain the ramifications of Abraxas approaching Realities.
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We shouldn't be surprised ... it's his Job:
Occupation: "Dimensional Destroyer"
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Evidently, only a power UN-like can defeat Abraxas:
"Realizing the danger Abraxas posed,
the FF went on a Dimension-hopping journey to recover the UN,
the One weapon that could destroy him"
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Indeed, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) stated the same thing On Panel:
Roma: "It will be a weapon of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"
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Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:
Galactus: "But This Time, This Day can end ONLY one way"
Reed: "Yes .... God help me, I can see that now"
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AB - FF Ultimate Guide bio:
Restructuring Reality is nothing to Abraxas!
"He can restructure matter and convert physical matter into pure energy ...
he has destroyed entire PLANES of Reality"
"We're dealing with a being of Godlike powers, BENDING Reality means nothing to him"
Lot's of those scans make zero sense. Why go dimension hopping for the UN? It's not unique to the multiverse. Each universes Galactus seems to have one.
For example, during the Black Celestial Arc, they got the UN from the Galactus of that timeline. They didn't need to go back to 616 reality and get their hands on it. We've seen alternate reality UNs all the time. Korvac used one to wipe out a universe with his cosmic awareness and it was referenced in handbooks despite being from a What If.
Secondly, Roma is a joke. The freaking ADVERSARY, an X-men villain, has owned her like a cheap whore until Forge saved her.
Thirdly how could a being that can bend reality on a whim be unable to keep the UN from Galactus' hands? Why would he even need to fear it? Why not pick up an alternate reality version of the Nullifier?
Furthermore, a NON multiversal/omniveral threat like Maelstrom successfully kept the UN from Galactus and Galactus was helpless to get it back.
I still dont' see universal level power levels from Abraxas in any of those scans. Making a Watcher get amnesia and killing alternate reality Galactus' (we don't even know what level of hunger they were at) isn't all that impressive.
Originally posted by zopzopLot's of those scans make zero sense.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy go dimension hopping for the UN? It's not unique to the multiverse.
Originally posted by zopzopEach universes Galactus seems to have one.
Or did you miss this?
"the UN,
the ONE weapon that could destroy him"
Originally posted by zopzopFor example, during the Black Celestial Arc, they got the UN from the Galactus of that timeline. They didn't need to go back to 616 reality and get their hands on it.
That aside though, it makes no difference, it was Abraxas that needed to be nullified,
and to do so, the 616 UN was what was necessary.
Originally posted by zopzopWe've seen alternate reality UNs all the time.
Originally posted by zopzopKorvac used one to wipe out a universe with his cosmic awareness and it was referenced in handbooks despite being from a What If.
What was needed here was action against Abraxas, a being who scared ALL of Eternity.
Heck, in the Abraxas arc,
nullifying Abraxas resulted in the complete remaking of 616 Eternity's total consciousness (the multiverse)
although I'd say all creation was remade.
Originally posted by zopzopSecondly, Roma is a joke. The freaking ADVERSARY, an X-men villain, has owned her like a cheap whore until Forge saved her.
That side,
she owns tech created by matrix/Merlyn
that could wipe out any reality in the Omniverse with the turn of a key.
Her Starlight Citadel is an simultaneous observational point of the entire Omniverse,
it too itself can destroy entire Universes.
Her thing is more of status as Omniversal guarian, she relies on her tech for cosmic scale effects.
Originally posted by zopzop1. Thirdly how could a being that can bend reality on a whim be unable to keep the UN from Galactus' hands?
2. Why would he even need to fear it?
3. Why not pick up an alternate reality version of the Nullifier?
2. Because it's the ONE weapon that can destroy him, as the story/evidence proved.
3. Apparntly only the 616 UN (the original real deal) was his only weakness.
Originally posted by zopzopFurthermore, a NON multiversal/omniveral threat like Maelstrom successfully kept the UN from Galactus and Galactus was helpless to get it back.
Maelstrom killed the embodiment of an abstract concept,
in some unexplained way avoided the affect of the IG,
and created a black hole that with time would've swallowed 616 and all existence with it.
Case & point,
the Galactus/UN connection was not established until years later in the Abraxas arc.
Maelstrom event (1992)
Abraxas story (2001)
Originally posted by zopzopI still dont' see universal level power levels from Abraxas in any of those scans.
I guess not. 😐
Originally posted by zopzopMaking a Watcher get amnesia and killing alternate reality Galactus' (we don't even know what level of hunger they were at) isn't all that impressive.
Originally posted by Mr Master
🙂The 616 UN, like everything else of 616 in comparison with alternate realities,
unique to the Multiverse.
[b]isBut only the 616 UN was Abraxas' weakness evidently.
Or did you miss this?
"the UN,
the ONE weapon that could destroy him"The Galactus of that Timeline was 616 Galactus 15 years in the future.
That aside though, it makes no difference, it was Abraxas that needed to be nullified,
and to do so, the 616 UN was what was necessary.And only one has been a threat to, or performed feats against Abraxas scale powers.
Yea, that was an aspect of Eternity's consciousness (reality 82432)
What was needed here was action against Abraxas, a being who scared ALL of Eternity.
Heck, in the Abraxas arc,
nullifying Abraxas resulted in the complete remaking of 616 Eternity's total consciousness (the multiverse)
although I'd say all creation was remade.Unfortunately Roma is written badly sometimes, but Roma is quite powerful in her right,
I have scans of her resurrecting people who have died by simply
reaching into the past and plucking them out and into the present with a gesture.That side,
she owns tech created by matrix/Merlyn
that could wipe out any reality in the Omniverse with the turn of a key.Her Starlight Citadel is an simultaneous observational point of the entire Omniverse,
it too itself can destroy entire Universes.Her thing is more of status as Omniversal guarian, she relies on her tech for cosmic scale effects.
1. I think it was explained clearly in the scene:
2. Because it's the ONE weapon that can destroy him, as the story/evidence proved.
3. Apparntly only the 616 UN (the original real deal) was his only weakness.
That so called "non-multiversal/omniversal" threat nearly took out all of creation.
Maelstrom killed the embodiment of an abstract concept,
in some unexplained way avoided the affect of the IG,
and created a black hole that with time would've swallowed 616 and all existence with it.Case & point,
the Galactus/UN connection was not established until years later in the Abraxas arc.Maelstrom event (1992)
Abraxas story (2001)
Aside from destroying who knows how many entire Universes, and ALL of Eternity/Infinity being helpless?
I guess not. 😐
Since it seems you didn't read all the comics, I see your point. [/B]
A wall of text with nothing of substance.
Only the 616 UN was Abraxas weakness, really? And please don't bring up Handbook entries as proof of anything because that doesnt' fly on these boards. 🙄
We STILL don't know what level of power those alternate reality versions of Galactus Abraxas "killed" were do we? Because this makes a WORLD of difference doesn't it? This is important because when Abraxas faced a restored Galactus thanks to Valeria and Franklin, Abraxas didn't kill him but resorted to his "trump" the UN! Why not own him like he "owned" all the alternate reality versions of him? Why resort to threatening him with the UN?
No Malestrom was not a threat to "all creation" otherwise the LT would have intervened. He was a threat to 616 reality and nothing more. Yet even he was able to keep the UN from Galactus. Hell, he was killed by his own black hole and it took Oblivion to save him.
Roma was also punked by Necrom I believe. For a supposedly "omniversal" level power/authority she seems to get punked by beings that would be classified as mid herald level AT BEST. 🙄
Originally posted by zopzopA wall of text with nothing of substance.
Originally posted by zopzop1: Only the 616 UN was Abraxas weakness, really?
2: And please don't bring up Handbook entries as proof of anything because that doesnt' fly on these boards.
2: Handbooks if supported by on panel art is just as concrete
as a means of evidence as said on panel art.
That aside, I use Handbooks to certify what was displayed on panel.
That further aside, you really aren't paying attention are ya?
Anyhow: (on panel ... which DOES fly on these boards)
Roma: "It will be a weapon of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"
Originally posted by zopzopWe STILL don't know what level of power those alternate reality versions of Galactus Abraxas "killed" were do we?
Because this makes a WORLD of difference doesn't it?
Alternate Eternity >>> Galactus.
Oh, and let's not forget how ALL of Eternity/Infinity was afraid of Abraxas.
Multiversal power of ALL Eternity >>>> Any and all Galactuses any day all day.
Originally posted by zopzopThis is important because when Abraxas faced a restored Galactus thanks to Valeria and Franklin, Abraxas didn't kill him but resorted to his "trump" the UN! Why not own him like he "owned" all the alternate reality versions of him? Why resort to threatening him with the UN?
Originally posted by zopzopNo Malestrom was not a threat to "all creation" otherwise the LT would have intervened.
Just like he didn't when HOM Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces,
or just like when MJJ was going to cancel out the Omniverse.
Originally posted by zopzopHe was a threat to 616 reality and nothing more. Yet even he was able to keep the UN from Galactus. Hell, he was killed by his own black hole and it took Oblivion to save him.
Again, the idea that the UN is a part of Galactus
and therefore under greater control by Galactus, was new to all of us.
And that aside, you're really dismissing Maelstrom unfairly.
Originally posted by zopzopRoma was also punked by Necrom I believe. For a supposedly "omniversal" level power/authority she seems to get punked by beings that would be classified as mid herald level AT BEST.
But nice try though.
Originally posted by Mr Master
😆1: Uhh, yea!
2: Handbooks if supported by on panel art is just as concrete
as a means of evidence as said on panel art.That aside, I use Handbooks to certify what was displayed on panel.
That further aside, you really aren't paying attention are ya?
Anyhow: (on panel ... which DOES fly on these boards)
Roma: "It will be [B]a weapon
of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"Who cares, and no it doesn't.
Especially since Abraxas collapsed the entire Universe that each of those Galactus' resided in.Alternate Eternity >>> Galactus.
Oh, and let's not forget how ALL of Eternity/Infinity was afraid of Abraxas.
Multiversal power of ALL Eternity >>>> Any and all Galactuses any day all day.
He didn't threaten him with the UN, he only let Galactus know how he had the UN,
which means that there was no way for Galactus to defeat him otherwise.The LT doesn't always interfere.
Just like he didn't when HOM Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces,
or just like when MJJ was going to cancel out the Omniverse.Yea, let's continue to bring up a 1992 incident to negate what took place 9 years later in 2001.
Again, the idea that the UN is a part of Galactus
and therefore under greater control by Galactus, was new to all of us.And that aside, you're really dismissing Maelstrom unfairly.
Necrom never punked Roma.
But nice try though. [/B]
Here we go again.
A) Alternate reality Korvac, you remember him, the one that punked the LT and all the abstracts destroyed his entire universe with the UN. So alternate reality UNs exist and are capable of wiping out universes on a whim. BCA Galactus was destroyed by his reality's verion of the UN. Why would they go "dimension hopping' to get the 616 reality one when there are an infinite number of alternate reality UNs to choose from? Why didn't Abraxas just collect EVERY SINGLE UN from EVERY SINGLE Galactus he "killed"? Since alternate reality versions of the UN have been proven successful in destroying at least a universe.
B) Eternity, the jobber king, was scared of him? OMG NO! 🙄
C) The LT was summoned but didn't interfere with Thanos with the IG but he did interfere regarding the Protege and Thanos with the HotU. Maelstrom didn't even register. His own black hole killed him and to make matters worse he tried to "choke out" Quasar's spirit form and couldn't even faze him. It was only after Quasar solidified in his attempt to expel matter from the black hole back into the universe that Maelstrom was able to tackle him (and wound up getting killed in the process!). 😆
D) Roma was CLUELESS to Necrom and his machinations. He almost took over the multiversal matrix except that her father Merlyn had planned ahead and saved her ass. Adversary outright OWNED her.
IB clears this.
Originally posted by zopzopHere we go again.
My on panel evidence corroborated/confirmed by official handbook statements ...
vs
Your opinions.
Yea, ... I know. 🙂
Originally posted by zopzopA) Alternate reality Korvac, you remember him, the one that punked the LT and all the abstracts destroyed his entire universe with the UN.
Originally posted by zopzopSo alternate reality UNs exist and are capable of wiping out universes on a whim.
BCA Galactus was destroyed by his reality's verion of the UN.
I thought we passed that?
Anyhow, the Abraxas arc which took place 19 years later in 2001,
has the 616 UN effects influencing the Totality of Eternity/Infinity.
Never been seen before,
and the story was that clues to finding the 616 UN were spread across the Multiverse,
obviously suggesting that locating THIS specific UN, was crucial,
so much so a journey across Realities was necessary.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy would they go "dimension hopping' to get the 616 reality one when there are an infinite number of alternate reality UNs to choose from? Why didn't Abraxas just collect EVERY SINGLE UN from EVERY SINGLE Galactus he "killed"? Since alternate reality versions of the UN have been proven successful in destroying at least a universe.
And again, this wasn't about destroying one universe,
this was about erasing Abraxas from the present reality.
This affected ALL of Eternity's totality!
Originally posted by zopzopB) Eternity, the jobber king, was scared of him? OMG NO!
ok ... 😂
Originally posted by zopzopC) The LT was summoned but didn't interfere with Thanos with the IG but he did interfere regarding the Protege and Thanos with the HotU. Maelstrom didn't even register. His own black hole killed him and to make matters worse he tried to "choke out" Quasar's spirit form and couldn't even faze him. It was only after Quasar solidified in his attempt to expel matter from the black hole back into the universe that Maelstrom was able to tackle him (and wound up getting killed in the process!).
So again yea, the LT doesn't always interfere.
Originally posted by zopzopD) Roma was CLUELESS to Necrom and his machinations. He almost took over the multiversal matrix except that her father Merlyn had planned ahead and saved her ass. Adversary outright OWNED her.
Roma owns the Celestial Nullifier, it can wipe out any Universe in the Omniverse.
Standing from her Starlight Citadel, any Universe in the Omniverse is an easy target.
When written properly, Roma has this weapon at her disposal.
Originally posted by zopzopIB clears this.
