Originally posted by carver9To be honest.. so has Cap...
You got it wrong buddy. During the episode where Loki gains Odin powers, Hulk one shotted 3 frost giants and was punching through their face. Thor doesn't have a single showing that puts him on Hulk level physically. Hell, Hulk took on the entire avengers INCLUDING Thor and was stomping them.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well I dnt think animated Mongul showed any feats apart from trashing WW. Whilst Hulk in Avengers threw a huge tower far into space, and has shown he's stronger than Thor who has supported an Island on top of him, and has shown all sorts of durability feats.Mongul also showed his durability is limited by getting his face bashed in by Supes. I haven't seen Hulk get his face bashed in yet, and we also know Hulk would get stronger through the fight.
Basically since all we've seen from Mongul is that he has strength, I would have a hard time putting EMH Hulk below him, who has ever growing potentially limitless strength (always at least on par with Thor) plus considerable speed, agility, able to leap miles in a single bound e.t.c.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Why providing feats if you dismiss them instantly? Like you did with the meteor or Darkseid, and the fact that Superman became even stronger after his own series.You exaggerate the feats of your favorite and lowball all the rest. I don't know why I even bother replying to you...
Who was this for? What strength feats does Justice League Superman have? Defeating strong guys isnt enough.
I'm not lowballing any feats I'm "asking you for feats".
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
And they didn't try to reason with Hulk? Are we talking about another episode?
No, Thor was excited at fighting the Hulk, they were trying to drop him.
@Jake, hush it.
Respond to my previous post please or admit that I'm right. It's not hard giving ole Carver his props. This mind I have doesn't have any limits.
Originally posted by carver9
Not in the fashion Hulk did it since everyone was basically trying to reason with Cap and calm him down.
Iron Man also tried to reason with Hulk, and then realised there was a strange energy around him. Giant Man wasn't going all out on Hulk either.
In fact when Hulk was fighting all the Avengers they knew he was under mind control, so unlikely any of them were going all out.
Although Thor was obviously taking Hulk seriously in their one on one. But Id say there wasn't really a winner from their one on one.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mongul getting his face broken by Superman isn't a low showing for Mongul...its a high showing for Superman.
Not saying it was, but EMH Hulk has also fought enough heavy hitters, but we haven't seen his face get even close to being smashed in.
Also we have no feats from Animated Mongul to know how powerful he was. All we know is he was considerably stronger than WW.
Originally posted by carver9
You got it wrong buddy. During the episode where Loki gains Odin powers, Hulk one shotted 3 frost giants and was punching through their face. Thor doesn't have a single showing that puts him on Hulk level physically. Hell, Hulk took on the entire avengers INCLUDING Thor and was stomping them. Then we have Thor pounding on Gravitron shields without anything happening but yet Hulk was busting through it like candy. Then we have Thor hitting on Kang shields without anything happening but Hulk busted through those same shields 3 times. Then we have Thor almost getting killed by Ultrons blast but Hulk walking through the same blast, ripping Ultron apart.Gravitron increased Thor gravity a thousand folds, he gave his everything against the Hulk and Hulk walks through it like candy. Hulk was the only one that was able to go physical against Gravitron. Let's also not forget that during the end of the Ultron episode, Ultron slapped Thor hammer from his hands, grabbed Thor and was choking him out. Thor was unable to even break the hold. Ultron had to resort to gamma draining Hulk in order to defeat him because his powers along with his strength was useless.
Strength and durability, Hulk has anyone o. The field beat, unless again, someone can provide feats for JLU Superman.
3 times? Sure, if by 3 times you mean "once". See this is exactly the crap we keep talking about, like those scans you never post, or the non-canon scans you sometimes do post while pretending that they are canon. And again, Thor was BFRd, not "almost killed."
As for strength, Superman's "cut loose" punch is still more impressive than any of hulk's punches.
Originally posted by Simbon
3 times? Sure, if by 3 times you mean "once". See this is exactly the crap we keep talking about, like those scans you never post, or the non-canon scans you sometimes do post while pretending that they are canon. And again, Thor was BFRd, not "almost killed."As for strength, Superman's "cut loose" punch is still more impressive than any of hulk's punches.
Sigh*, here we go again.
Hulk punched Abomination across a state...that one punch scene isn't enough and it sure as hell isn't the best punching feat out of everyone mentioned here.
The blast almost dropped Thor and had him screaming in pain... Hulk walked through it like it was nothing. Like I said before, Ultron was choking Thor out and he was unable to do anything whereas Hulk busted Ultron sh**. Just let me win this...you have nothing to aid your argument.
Carver wins again buddy.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor also looked infinitely more impressive against Loki with the Odinforce than Hulk did.
Of course, that fight was more based off of magic than anything and Thor knew how to handle that type of power, even Loki admits this. Thor didn't do anything anyways but get one hit in, just like Hulk. Ironman did better than all of them.
Originally posted by carver9
Of course, that fight was more based off of magic than anything and Thor knew how to handle that type of power, even Loki admits this. Thor didn't do anything anyways but get one hit in, just like Hulk. Ironman did better than all of them.
Iron Man also had prep and his pseudo Destroyer-looking armor.
I just find it funny how you just now go "well, that fight was based off of magic" to try and save face for Hulk, but in the same breath downplay virtually everything anyone did besides Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Who was this for? What strength feats does Justice League Superman have? Defeating strong guys isnt enough.I'm not lowballing any feats I'm "asking you for feats".
What about the meteor that was about to destroy earth, which Superman deflected. You dismissed (Lowballed) it didn't you?
You lowball the DS feat. You exaggerate Hulk feats, take them out of context, talk about them incorrectly or interprete them in the most ridiculous way.
I don't think you are a bad person, sometimes I even got the impression you are laughing you ass of when writing this shit of yours but sometimes I can just wonder...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man also had prep and his pseudo Destroyer-looking armor.I just find it funny how you just now go "well, that fight was based off of magic" to try and save face for Hulk, but in the same breath downplay virtually everything anyone did besides Hulk.
I never lowballed anyone here. Why do you keep saying that. Hulk didn't have a poor showing against Loki, he really didn't have that much of a showing during that episode.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
What about the meteor that was about to destroy earth, which Superman deflected. You dismissed (Lowballed) it didn't you?You lowball the DS feat. You exaggerate Hulk feats, take them out of context, talk about them incorrectly or interprete them in the most ridiculous way.
I don't think you are a bad person, sometimes I even got the impression you are laughing you ass of when writing this shit of yours but sometimes I can just wonder...
The meteor showing didn't happen in jlu, it happened in a superman episode...a episode with a superman that struggled to lift a tank and couldn't stop a falling plane (that was kind of lowballing what I just said but i want you to see that its not good to use that Supes). That's like me bringing up a feat from another Hulk show, like him picking up a 100 floor building that was equipped with nukes, lifting it and throwing it into the sun.
Sometimes I enjoy messing with you BatmanPrime but sometimes I am serious. This topic that we are currently having, I am VERY serious.
*sigh* You know, Carver, I'm just trying to help you stop embarrassing yourself all the time. Hulk's abomination punch was nowhere near as impressive. Abomination was substantially less impressive than DS' underling Mantis, and arguably even Kalibak. But you can never admit this because it would go against your premise, which is also your conclusion, that Hulk is the strongest one there is. Everybody else's showings are then read in order to make that basic assumption true. Hulk is stronger than Abomination, and must be stronger than character X, therefore Abomination must be as strong as or stronger than character X. It is not logical, but it is how you think, whether you know it or not. If you look at someone like Quan, you will notice the same pattern, where everything is modified in relation to his axiomatic position on Thanos.
As for superman, Superman and Marvel were destroying building after building in their fight. See also the Doomsday fights, the Mongul fight, etc.
But you know, the truth is that I'm not even really invested in the strength levels. You see, I like the characters because of the characters; for instance, I don't want to see Surfer, one of my favorite characters, suddenly become so powerful that he can just trounce Thanos. It would be cheap and stupid, much like his loss of pacificism. Hulk (at least savage hulk) is a great character -- a true classic. Try to appreciate the character for what he is rather than how powerful you want him to be.
Originally posted by Simbon
*sigh* You know, Carver, I'm just trying to help you stop embarrassing yourself all the time. Hulk's abomination punch was nowhere near as impressive. Abomination was substantially less impressive than DS' underling Mantis, and arguably even Kalibak. But you can never admit this because it would go against your premise, which is also your conclusion, that Hulk is the strongest one there is. Everybody else's showings are then read in order to make that basic assumption true. Hulk is stronger than Abomination, and must be stronger than character X, therefore Abomination must be as strong as or stronger than character X. It is not logical, but it is how you think, whether you know it or not. If you look at someone like Quan, you will notice the same pattern, where everything is modified in relation to his axiomatic position on Thanos.As for superman, Superman and Marvel were destroying building after building in their fight. See also the Doomsday fights, the Mongul fight, etc.
But you know, the truth is that I'm not even really invested in the strength levels. You see, I like the characters because of the characters; for instance, I don't want to see Surfer, one of my favorite characters, suddenly become so powerful that he can just trounce Thanos. It would be cheap and stupid, much like his loss of pacificism. Hulk (at least savage hulk) is a great character -- a true classic. Try to appreciate the character for what he is rather than how powerful you want him to be.
Great post Simbon but you completely misunderstood me. I never said that abomination is stronger than Darkseid. We were comparing punching power and Hulk punching feat was far more impressive. The only thing you are really doing is saying that Darkseid is stronger just because he is Darkseid.
In regards to destructive damage involving punches, look at Hulk fight against Gravitron or Thor fight against the frost giants. I'm asking you for feats, that the only thing that I am Doing and you all are getting offended while I on the other hand is throwing feats left and right.