Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not trying to push an agenda one way or the other; it's an impressive feat from Superman and Darkseid alike. I take it for what it is. I'm not downplaying either of them. *shrug*Personally, I feel Avengers would win, anyway.
Why are we debating against each other then?
Originally posted by carver9
Why are we debating against each other then?
I'm not "debating against" you at all.
I asked for a specific account of Superman's notable strength feats outside of his Darkseid scuffle. I do feel like you're downplaying both Superman and Darkseid (and Thor oddly enough) in an overzealous attempt to put Hulk on a pedestal, though. We might agree with the end result, but I certainly don't see Hulk in the same light as you seem to do.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not "debating against" you at all.I asked for a specific account of Superman's notable strength feats outside of his Darkseid scuffle. I do feel like you're downplaying both Superman and Darkseid (and Thor oddly enough) in an overzealous attempt to put Hulk on a pedestal, though. We might agree with the end result, but I certainly don't see Hulk in the same light as you seem to do.
Who is physically stronger Hulk or Thor? Please explain why.
Who is physically stronger, Thor or Supes? Please explain why.
Originally posted by carver9
Who is physically stronger Hulk or Thor? Please explain why.Who is physically stronger, Thor or Supes? Please explain why.
Hulk, and for obvious reasons.
Not sure. Thor's physicality is pretty linked with Mjolnir in the cartoon and he seems to be more of the power output displaying guy instead of sheer physical might. He briefly supported a falling Manhattan Island though, so that's pretty impressive. I'm undecided as I'm still looking for Superman's high end strength feats from the Timmverse.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk, and for obvious reasons.Not sure. Thor's physicality is pretty linked with Mjolnir in the cartoon and he seems to be more of the power output displaying guy instead of sheer physical might. He briefly supported a falling Manhattan Island though, so that's pretty impressive. I'm undecided as I'm still looking for Superman's high end strength feats from the Timmverse.
So you stating that I am over estimating Hulk but yet you think Hulk is stronger than Thor but you can't even give me a strength feat besides one punching feat from Supes to help you aid in Supes being close to the strength that Thor has who is weaker than Hulk.
So how am I hyping Hulk up when what I am saying is true? Hulk feats>>>anyone on the justice league.
Originally posted by carver9
So you stating that I am over estimating Hulk but yet you think Hulk is stronger than Thor but you can't even give me a strength feat besides one punching feat from Supes to help you aid in Supes being close to the strength that Thor has who is weaker than Hulk.So how am I hyping Hulk up when what I am saying is true? Hulk feats>>>anyone on the justice league.
Uh, I've been asking for some strength feats from Superman this whole time because I honestly can't recall many. It's not me saying "Superman is > Thor" or "Thor > Superman". Hence why I said "not sure". 😬
Unless you want to legitimately play the "lowball people not named Hulk" game, in which case, I don't have time for it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Uh, I've been asking for some strength feats from Superman this whole time because I honestly can't recall many. It's not me saying "Superman is > Thor" or "Thor > Superman". Hence why I said "not sure". 😬Unless you want to legitimately play the "lowball people not named Hulk" game, in which case, I don't have time for it.
That's not what I am doing. I am just asking you for feats, that's all.
Originally posted by Simbon
That's the irony -- I also feel the Avengers should win. It's simply that Carver feels the need to constantly exaggerate the power of the hulk while downplaying everyone else. If some version of the Hulk punched out Galactus it still wouldn't be enough for him -- then he'd start insisting that hulk could take on the living tribunal.
You are so ****ing right. That usually is the problem when Carver defends a character. He takes their feats like they are the be-all-end-all while at the same time just shrugging off everything and anything anyone else has done. It usually hurts more than it helps the character he is defending.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
well i cn see your point, originally i was going to include john stewart GL instead of hawkgirl but thought that might be considered unbalanced. and that maybe hawkgirls skill and uber mace would be advantages for her.
Yeah, it's a little unbalanced now.
You should have put in Amazo instead. 💃
Thor vs Hulk (Strength only)
Strength feats:
Hulk overpowered Graviton crushing him, something none of the other Avengers could do (Thor included).
Chucked the Leaders Tower far into space.
But was not invincible as proven by Kang KO'ing him.
Thor did hold up an island.. He also easily bested an Amped Abomination in H2H.. Oh and tossed around Frost Giants as if they were street level super villains.
He took plenty of hits from from Absorbing man (who absorbed Mjolnir's properties) and Thor wasn't bleeding or even looking hurt??
But again not invincible as he was KO'ed by the combined might of the Masters of Evil.
Conclusion- Though Huk is stronger based on his showings against Graviton and Thor himself its not by much.
I think Hawkgirl is being undersold here. The way her mace was portrayed she's basically swinging Thor's version of Kryptonite.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk, and for obvious reasons.Not sure. Thor's physicality is pretty linked with Mjolnir in the cartoon and he seems to be more of the power output displaying guy instead of sheer physical might. He briefly supported a falling Manhattan Island though, so that's pretty impressive. I'm undecided as I'm still looking for Superman's high end strength feats from the Timmverse.
Edit: it is worth noting that the feat took place in Superman TAS, years before JL and JLU. As per JL Superman only gets stronger with time and more solar power.
Edit 2: And while this isn't necessarily a pure strength feat (more of a combat feat), Superman destroyed Mongul after being released from the Black Mercy, this is after Mongul was no selling Wonder Woman's best shots and treating her like a rentgirl.
Originally posted by Omega VisionEdit 2: And while this isn't necessarily a pure strength feat (more of a combat feat), Superman destroyed Mongul after being released from the Black Mercy, this is after Mongul was no selling Wonder Woman's best shots and treating her like a rentgirl.
Yeah but that showing really doesn't give WW much of a shot against Hulk.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think Hawkgirl is being undersold here. The way her mace was portrayed she's basically swinging Thor's version of Kryptonite.Best I can remember is him deflecting a comet/asteroid that was large enough to destroy the Earth or at least wipe out all life/civilization.
Edit: it is worth noting that the feat took place in Superman TAS, years before JL and JLU. As per JL Superman only gets stronger with time and more solar power.
Edit 2: And while this isn't necessarily a pure strength feat (more of a combat feat), Superman destroyed Mongul after being released from the Black Mercy, this is after Mongul was no selling Wonder Woman's best shots and treating her like a rentgirl.
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Yes that's the problem. Carver, don't make feats bigger then they really are.
Example:
Originally posted by carver9
Thor lifted an entire city,
Originally posted by carver9
Stop speaking lies.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He briefly supported a falling Manhattan Island though, so that's pretty impressive.
So either you talk about something else or you are doing what you do best.
Originally posted by Simbon
It's simply that Carver feels the need to constantly exaggerate the power of the hulk while downplaying everyone else. If some version of the Hulk punched out Galactus it still wouldn't be enough for him -- then he'd start insisting that hulk could take on the living tribunal.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but that showing really doesn't give WW much of a shot against Hulk.
Are there showings that put Hulk at or above Mongul? That's a serious question, I've never watched the Avengers and I'm just wondering if you're just generalizing and applying Mongul's feats to Hulk because of their similar powersets.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why doesn't it?Are there showings that put Hulk at or above Mongul? That's a serious question, I've never watched the Avengers and I'm just wondering if you're just generalizing and applying Mongul's feats to Hulk because of their similar powersets.
Well I dnt think animated Mongul showed any feats apart from trashing WW. Whilst Hulk in Avengers threw a huge tower far into space, and has shown he's stronger than Thor who has supported an Island on top of him, and has shown all sorts of durability feats.
Mongul also showed his durability is limited by getting his face bashed in by Supes. I haven't seen Hulk get his face bashed in yet, and we also know Hulk would get stronger through the fight.
Basically since all we've seen from Mongul is that he has strength, I would have a hard time putting EMH Hulk below him, who has ever growing potentially limitless strength (always at least on par with Thor) plus considerable speed, agility, able to leap miles in a single bound e.t.c.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thor vs Hulk (Strength only)Strength feats:
Hulk overpowered Graviton crushing him, something none of the other Avengers could do (Thor included).
Chucked the Leaders Tower far into space.
But was not invincible as proven by Kang KO'ing him.Thor did hold up an island.. He also easily bested an Amped Abomination in H2H.. Oh and tossed around Frost Giants as if they were street level super villains.
He took plenty of hits from from Absorbing man (who absorbed Mjolnir's properties) and Thor wasn't bleeding or even looking hurt??
But again not invincible as he was KO'ed by the combined might of the Masters of Evil.Conclusion- Though Huk is stronger based on his showings against Graviton and Thor himself its not by much.
You got it wrong buddy. During the episode where Loki gains Odin powers, Hulk one shotted 3 frost giants and was punching through their face. Thor doesn't have a single showing that puts him on Hulk level physically. Hell, Hulk took on the entire avengers INCLUDING Thor and was stomping them. Then we have Thor pounding on Gravitron shields without anything happening but yet Hulk was busting through it like candy. Then we have Thor hitting on Kang shields without anything happening but Hulk busted through those same shields 3 times. Then we have Thor almost getting killed by Ultrons blast but Hulk walking through the same blast, ripping Ultron apart.
Gravitron increased Thor gravity a thousand folds, he gave his everything against the Hulk and Hulk walks through it like candy. Hulk was the only one that was able to go physical against Gravitron. Let's also not forget that during the end of the Ultron episode, Ultron slapped Thor hammer from his hands, grabbed Thor and was choking him out. Thor was unable to even break the hold. Ultron had to resort to gamma draining Hulk in order to defeat him because his powers along with his strength was useless.
Strength and durability, Hulk has anyone o. The field beat, unless again, someone can provide feats for JLU Superman.