Originally posted by the ninjakplus after the cats gave her life back after getting pushed out of the building, she woke up with different eyes and surprised herself with climbing up the wall.
Really????? She was alive at the end of the movie after getting shot to death. And she electrocuted herself with Christopher Walken as well.She was a supernatural being.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Really????? She was alive at the end of the movie after getting shot to death. And she electrocuted herself with Christopher Walken as well.She was a supernatural being.
Suuuuure. We all know how falling out of a building through multiple canopies and landing in snow and being overrun by stray cats can bestow magic powers on a woman with severe. Personality issues.
Originally posted by Impediment
Suuuuure. We all know how falling out of a building through multiple canopies and landing in snow and being overrun by stray cats can bestow magic powers on a woman with severe. Personality issues.
Before you brought it up I never thought/heard of it before.
But the bullets and the electrocution just adds up to her actually being supernatural.
If she was just crazy the whole time she is the luckiest ***** on Earth.
Did Burton speak up on the plot development? I haven't seen the film since I was a kid.
I dunno...I mean she was shot quite a few times and Walken must have been a terrible shot and missed every vital organ for her have still been standing. I don't think she electrocuted herself as well as Walken...I think she just showed the wire or whatever down his throat...I can't remember what happened after though
She also went from being a frail secretary to an extreme MA ***** with skills with the whip. She also kissed Shreck while she electrocuted him to death while having bullets inside her. The preceded to jump buildings an watch Batman at the end of the film
Was she a female Joker TDK? An insane woman with delusions of grandure? maybe.
But to assume she wasn't and something more is just more logical.
Originally posted by Impedimentlooks like someone wants to change the rules because they dont agree to some feats that happened in a movie,over a character that they are not a fan of.
Suuuuure. We all know how falling out of a building through multiple canopies and landing in snow and being overrun by stray cats can bestow magic powers on a woman with severe. Personality issues.
Originally posted by chomperx9
looks like someone wants to change the rules because they dont agree to some feats that happened in a movie,over a character that they are not a fan of.
Nice try, scooter. I'm trying to discuss her supposed powers/origins by opinion, not the fact that Batman utterly stomps Catwoman. Prove to me that the magical stray cats from the magical land of OZ gave Kyle her "powers". Go ahead, I'll wait.
Why don't you sit in the corner and let the older people debate?
Opinions of origin aside, it doesnt change the fact that Bale stomps Kyle. He took on an entire prison gang like nothing. Anyone who says otherwise is a deluded fanboy, IMO.
Originally posted by Impedimentread the post before the one you quoted old timer, she walks up with different eyes and surprises herself with climbing up a wall. she wanst able to do that before the incident.
Nice try, scooter. I'm trying to discuss her supposed powers/origins by opinion, not the fact that Batman utterly stomps Catwoman. Prove to me that the magical stray cats from the magical land of OZ gave Kyle her "powers". Go ahead, I'll wait.Why don't you sit in the corner and let the older people debate?
Opinions of origin aside, it doesnt change the fact that Bale stomps Kyle. He took on an entire prison gang like nothing. Anyone who says otherwise is a deluded fanboy, IMO.
She wasn't "surprised" by anything. The only time se was shown actually crawling up a wall was when Bats and Penguin had their mindnight meeting and were talking shit to each other. She was a shattered mess of emotions. She had a nervous breakdown and trashed her apartment and then made her costume. It's known as a massive plot hole. You've proven nothing to me.
Bale Man still stomps her ass, too.
Originally posted by Impediment
Bale Man still stomps her ass, too.
How? Supernatural or not her damage soak is leaps and bounds above his, her agility from scaling walls to repeated back flips is again way better then his.
You know what I've already been over this. Nothing Bale Batman did suggested any more skill then Catwoman and in fact on visual level, once you get past style preference and jump cuts, she appeared more skilled then him. Once again she maintained better balance, had smoother transitions, and was generally quicker when a move was covering the same distance.
The bottom line is the Pro-Batman side in this debate hasn't come up with a single reason to believe Batman can even hurt her to any significant degree given her durability.
Originally posted by Impedimentwasnt any KO. sure keaton or bale can bench press more than selina, thats for sure. so a hit from them is gonna hurt more. the problem is keeping her down.
Keaton still took down Kyle twice with just one well placed punch. All Bale has to do is pummel her and restrain her. Durability be damned, she is not as strong or as skilled as Bale.Fact.
Originally posted by Impediment
Keaton still took down Kyle twice with just one well placed punch. All Bale has to do is pummel her and restrain her. Durability be damned, she is not as strong or as skilled as Bale.Fact.
Keaton Batman also punched apart the Batmobile, and Kilmer Batman who is the same character head butted threw aircraft glass, as in reinforced/damage resistant windowing. Robin who was over powered by Batman rode a rocket traveling at escape velocity. By hanging on to the outside with his hands. Batman also carried with ease ice block encased Robin. Not to mention his blows sent people flying back 10 plus feet, over cars, etc.
In other words Keaton Batman was really freaking strong. Drop Catwoman in a single well placed hit. Speaks more for his hitting power/strength demonstrated above. Then it does against her already, repeatedly, and consistently demonstrated durability.
Don't like it, sorry, but those are the feats. Or if you prefer, the Facts.
As for skill. Jump cut kali-esque Bourne inspired pseudo-MMA fight choreography is all the rage right now so I don't blame you for being suckered by it's proprietors, but his use of it does not make him more skilled.
As for the excuse that he fights whole gangs so he'll pwn her. Lets look at who she went toe-to-toe with and even put an the proverbial ropes a few time, that's right Keaton Batman who walked threw gangs with ease. Fact is O'Connel Robin did as well against a gang as Bale Batman. So she is going up against a less powerful version of a guy she can already hang with. A version that can't hit hard enough to put her down quickly nor has the needed quickness or agility to keep up with her.
As for him being stronger. Its not unlikely, but its by no means assured nor proven. Nor is she weak.
Originally posted by Impediment
All bale has to do is deploy his arsenal of batarangs and gauntlet blades and other shit to disorient her, land a few well placed punches and kicks, get her down on the ground and then pummel the shit out if her. After she's out for the count, some bat cuffs or rope can keep her confined.End.
The 2 scenarios according to the OP are unarmed or she gets her whip. So no.
Its also quite telling that you feel the need to arm him to give him any real chance at winning it suggests that you're beginning, or have realized from the start, but are unwilling to admit that this match does not favor Batman as much as you'd like.
Could he win if he brought gadgets/weapons out the ass to the fight maybe? He still has to hit her with them/distract her enough. Which includes not letting her use her far superior agility to disengage/gain ground, then he has to place effective punches(kicks if he's absurdly lucky) again over coming her durability and speed. Again uphill battle and upset victory if he can pull it off.
Oh, no. A whip. Batman's downfall. If only Joker had used a whip........
Yeah, Batman shrugs off a whip like a bad case of Taco Bell farts. Why? ARMOR.
"Far superoir agility"? Doing some backflips and a few sidekicks prove dick that she has better agility.
You people are giving way too much credit to Kyle, as if she could have been in the movie Predators.
She is outclassed. Quit being fan boys, please!
Originally posted by Impediment
Oh, no. A whip. Batman's downfall. If only Joker had used a whip........
You're right she should use a random pipe and some puppies. With wich she has no skill just like Joker did to kick the sh!t out of Batman.
Truth is Selina, so long as Batman doesn't get his doesn't need weapons to win.
Originally posted by Impediment
Yeah, Batman shrugs off a whip like a bad case of Taco Bell farts. Why? ARMOR.
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As I mentioned she doesn't need the whip, but it ain't gonna hurt, her to have it. Given her accuracy with it. Strikes to the face and entanglement are real possibilities.
Originally posted by Impediment
"Far superoir agility"? Doing some backflips and a few sidekicks prove dick that she has better agility.
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Seeing as they are backflips and sidekicks Batman couldn't hope to match. It kinda does. She is more mobile, better balanced, generally faster etc. She can scale walls, pull off gymnastics routines amidst combat, and throw kicks with out almost falling over thing Batman struggles with.
Originally posted by Impediment
You people are giving way too much credit to Kyle, as if she could have been in the movie Predators.
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I'd give her decent odds against one of the Predators from that movie. Wait no she'd stomp on one. Don't forgot one of'em got iced by the dude from the "Pianist" with a make shift hatchet.
Originally posted by Impediment
She is outclassed. Quit being fan boys, please! [/B]
Out classed how? He may be able to lift more and has a better in game, but other then that the match is stacked against Batman. If it hurts your Batman worship pride I'm sorry, but its true.